ryan anderson puts it in his book: what is marriage? he talks about that. he says that, you know, religion is as diverse as christianity, islam and judaisjudaism. but if you are talking about the redefinition of marriage, as many here are today, which is you're right to love whoever you want to love, very few people disagree with somebody's right to love somebody. the question comes in: how do you write a law? how do you define that? do you say that any two people who love each other can be considered married? and then what do you say to the person who says, but we are three people and we love each other. why are you leaving us out of that equation? so these are where the questions get more complicated and harder to define and harder to write into law and make everybody feel good about it. >> that's why socies historicale referred to the con jugal definition of marriage. >> why marriage? why do you think that now more than ever, the republican party, members of the republican party are open to this idea of gay marria marriage? >> it's an issue that's evolve

ryan anderson from the heritage foundation. i don't think we mapped the last three questions from the heritage fellows but thank you for your kind words. i wonder if the problem didn't start earlier, if we go back before casey to griswald because comments discussing what marriage is why marriage matters he says those actions that would be tracked for marriage would be contrary to the natural law and in our constitutional reading the states had the police powers to promote public health safety, and morals. if this was in the viewed of subjective preference but objectiveness and states had to promote this. with griswald, rhode casey, and lawrence, there's court cases striking down ability, and how is that contributed to the erosion of a healthy marriage culture and to a sound constitutional regime? >> that is another 45 # minute lecture i think in response. [laughter] my purpose was to identify stories and interest in the theory. where we are today is deeply cultural issue and the fundmental principle i hold dear is that it's up

. >> i am ryan anderson. these last three questions were all from heritage fellows. ofm one of the co-authors the -- thank you for your kind words for it. i'm wondering if the problems do not start earlier. , whenr comments discussing what marriage is and why marriage matters, he then says those actions that will be tracked for marriage would be contrary to the natural law. rating,onstitutional the states had the powers to promote public health, safety, and morals. this is object of morality. the states are authorized to promote this. it looks like with griswold and then with casey and lawrence, you get a train of court cases striking down the ability to promote public morality. and how has that contributed to the underwrote -- to the erosion of a healthy marriage culture? >> that would take another 45 minute lecture. my purpose was to identify , activestories involvement in natural law theory. is a deeply today cultural issue, the fundamental principle that i hold dear is that it is up to the legislature turns andose clearly.s the judiciary in my view ought to be th

this argument has been most prominently advanced by professors george gurkhas and ryan anderson in their recent book what is marriage? now if windsor rejects the conjugal definition, and i'm not saying so, that it does as a legal matter -- that's a separate issue, then it does so on the basis that there is no objective reality to what marriage is. the opinion repeatedly implies that marriage is not a pre-political institution arising from the law of nature. to use stories words, but is instead subject to change by the state. for instance, winsor says that the conjugal view has been discarded by some states in favor of a new perspective, a new insight and that these states have enlarged the definition of marriage. but if marriage has a fixed meaning derived from man's nature than a cannot he enlarged. if my friend professor arcus is right about windsor's holding about our constitutional jurisprudence not only protects the relativistic conception of marriage, it affirmatively declares that there is no object this reality to marriage and that any contrary view is irrational. this goes a lon

anderson. joining us to discuss lou reed and his lasting influence is david markaze and ryan mitchell.hank you both of you for being here. ryan, you were a 15-year-old punk rocker covering songsly lou reed, covering songs by the velvet underground. what is the appeal? you're 40 years younger than he is. you're hearing music like "sweet jane," and he's talking about listening to the new york station late at night and trying to get to new music something really avant-garde and growing up in the suburbs and being around everything that you're sick off. you think, i live in a boring world, and in this old time new york you have lou reed making these songs about drug use, privates or transvestites. things that would still be pushing it today. i think as a 15-year-old kid playing punk music it struck a cord with everybody. okay, yeah, i'm mad at the boring old world out there, too. >> reporter: david, he was credited with influencing a whole new generation of rockers including ryan in our studio, was really influenced by that. what is it about his music that has done that? >> i think love of

ryan wrote in today's wall street journal. you think there is a possibility of traction there? >> i do, anderson. beneath the rhetoric which remains hot, we had two concessions now. the president made a concession by saying he's willing to take a short-term extension of the debt ceiling in order to let negotiations get started. that's a big concession and republicans ought to grab it. paul ryan has come along and said, in such negotiations, we ought to talk about entitlement reform and tax reform but he did not talk about health reform. in other words, he's not insisted that obama care demolition is -- would have to be part of the negotiation. that gives both sides a chance to have a six or eight-week pause, and i talked to a major leader in the house republican side who believes if they can get that pause, there would be enough votes among republicans to work with democrats to support it and get into a negotiation. >> john, had the house gop leadership heading the white house tomorrow as dana was talking about, do you also see the possibility of some sort of a breakthrough? >> i think any time t

strategist and vice president of the winston group, kristin anderson and cnn commentator and washington correspondent for the new yorker magazine, ryan lizzo. i was talking with josh rogan about this earlier-how to you get so high in the national security establishment and do something so dumb? not a momentary lapse of judgment like an affair or dui. but -- >> two years. >> two years of letting the bile out. >> really self-destructive. i feel like you're nobody in this town and if you weren't attacked by him. >> i wasn't really attacked. >> you were mentioned. come on. >> he was mean spirited and just -- it was almost like the id of someone, just a complete stream of consciousness of the nastiest things you could think of as you're going through your day about people around you, arrivals or obstacles in your professional career. and i wouldn't defend what he wrote for a second, but i can't help but ask the question of, you know, does someone who works in the government have the right to sort of vent on twitter? i mean, is there any sort of right that you have just to be out there and say what you want anonymously? >> no. no. >> that'

anderson. we're going to seat republican budget chair in the house, paul ryan, democratic chair in the senate patty murray have breakfast and start talking. >> that's rare. >> reporter: that is what is supposed to happen. >> you would think it happens all the time. >> reporter: you would think. this kind of negotiation hasn't happened in years. >> in years. >> reporter: in years. you know why? because in past year and a half it's because republicans haven't wanted to get together. but before that, democrats didn't pass their own budget because they didn't want their democratic rank and file to be on record voting for increases in spending. so it goes both ways. >> fascinating stuff, dana bash. thank you very much. we'll continue to check on dana throughout this hour. once the bill passes the hour as we said president obama says he'll sign it immediately. the president spoke shortly after the deal passed the senate thanking leaders of both parties for getting a deal done. listen. >> one of the things they said throughout this process is, we've got to get out of the habit of governing by crisis. and

and paul ryan who sort of straddles the divide between the tea party and the establishment was supposed to speak here, anderson, but as you know he's sort of the architect of this new deal that's unfolding on capitol hill. he addressed the group by video message. it was very brief. he made no mention of obama care and received only tepid applause. that's compared to the sort of raucous receptions that we saw earlier today for michele bachmann, ted cruz, et cetera, anderson. >> when you hear ben carson saying that obama care, the affordable care act, is the worst thing to happen in this country since slavery, how did that play in this crowd? grassroots conservatives attacking over and over again the republican leadership, the establishment, the quote unquote old bulls on capitol hill. and that just previews the sort of problem that the party is going to have moving forward in the mid-terms, in these primaries and in the presidential campaign, frankly, in 2016 on these debate stages. you're going to see this rift in the republican party. it's existed for a long time, but it's really come to the forein the middle

and paul ryan who sort of straddles the divide between the tea party and the establishment was supposed to speak here, anderson, but as you know he's sort of the architect of this new deal that's unfolding on capitol hill. he addressed the group by video message. it was very brief. he made no mention of obama care and received only tepid applause. that's compared to the sort of raucous receptions that we saw earlier today for michele bachmann, ted cruz, et cetera, anderson. >> when you hear ben carson saying that obama care, the affordable care act, is the worst thing to happen in this country since slavery, how did that play in this crowd? i heard some people applaud. i couldn't tell how widespread it was. i mean, worse than 9/11, worse than the internment of japanese americans during world war ii, worse than the civil war? how did it play? >> reporter: all of that went over really well here as it does for a number of conservative events. you could go to a county republican party convention, a tea party convention, cpac, values voter summit. the red meat plays well in these rooms. and it represents a bit of a