ryan goodman, we don't see sedition cases very often in america.g of the january 6th hearing, the questions about georgia and whether they will go up the line. and yet as i mentioned, even if you don't go up the line, this would seem to be a pretty big deal, and the government definitely sees as a priority. >> yeah, i totally agree. i think that it's important to the historical record. if they succeed in a conviction, then history will look back at the moment and understand it more firmly as having been a seditious conspiracy and an attempt to violently overthrow the government or interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. should it be very dramatic. "the times" is also reporting the leader of the oath keepers stewart rhodes is going to take the stand in his defense. i think at the end of the day, the government has an extraordinarily strong case against them. but i do think exactly as you put it, with a jury deciding whether or not beyond a reasonable doubt these individuals have been guilty of the conspiracy to overthrow the government is hug

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joining us now is ryan goodman, former special counsel of the department defense and co-editor and chiefsecurity. mr. goodman, good to see you tonight. so this, the revelation about nuclear secrets to begin the cattle documents seats in august, it seems would add great urgency to all of those questions, right? how do you think that informs the justice department decision about what to do here? >> it's a great question. i think it must mean that they have to act with urgency and has got to put a big thumb on the scale that they appeal their or her decision immediately, and that the ask a court of appeals for an urgent sensational paroling. and the court of appeals can do that, while we review your questions of law, we're gonna stop what she did to you. and you can go ahead and use the materials for your investigation. >> okay and with that to stop the process as it is, or sorry, stopped the special master process as it is, and allowed them to move forward given the sort of implication of national security? >> they can do it one of two ways, you can still use the material while the special

joining us now is ryan goodman, former special counsel at the department of defense, co-editor and chiefurity and law professor at nyu. great to see you, professor. first of all, ginni thomas willingly going to meet with the january 6th committee. you are surprised? are you shocked? >> i'm totally shocked. >> you're totally shocked is my totally different. tell me why. >> she signed a letter that actually said that the two republican members of the committee should be thrown out of the republican caucus because she thought the committee was so corrupt in her views. so so combative, allergic to this committee saying some really testy words about the committee. one would think she wouldn't come forward voluntarily. she seems to have made that choice. the. >> do you think there is a legal incentive, she would rather go willingly than be subpoenaed? >> i think so. on the other hand, she can fight a subpoena. time is on her side with respect to the midterms. the committee does the final report and then 30 days to sew up business. it doesn't explain they should have that legal jeopardy hanging

joining us now is ryan goodman, former special counsel at the permit events, kawhi didn't even have justaw professor at nyu. great to see you, professor. first of, all of ginni thomas willingly going to meet with the january 6th committee -- are you surprised? are you are shocked as i am? >> i am terribly shocked. >> you are totally shocked is different than my totally shocked. but tell me why. >> she signed a letter that said that to republican members of the committee should actually be thrown out of the republican caucus because she thought that the committee was so corrupt, in her view. so, so combative, so allergic to this committee, saying some really testy words about the committee. one would think that she would not come forward voluntarily. but she seems to have made that choice. >> do you think there is a legal incentive at the root of all this? that he would rather go willingly than be subpoenaed? >> i think so. on the other hand, she could maybe fight a subpoena, because time is on her side, with respect to after the midterms, the committee does its final report and then has

let me bring in ryan goodman, former special counsel at the defense department. also with us tonight, norm eisen who was counsel to house democrats during president trump's impeachment trial and white house ethics formerly under president obama. let's begin when we talking about this as the judge was deciding. you said there is some respects in which it would be reasonable to have a special master, but this goes beyond that in your opinion. why? >> yes, where think she could have been on solid ground beyond criticism, essentially, to say a special master should be established to look at any communications that are between the president and his attorneys, financial records potentially, medical records. let's segregate those, set up a special master because we don't necessarily trust the fbi, just want an impartial third party. >> and there were some tax documents and medical records in there. >> that's right, and that would be ordinary and appropriate potentially and certainly within her discretion. where she does go is radically beyond that point. the idea that y

. >>> ryan goodman, co-editor and chief of the just security legal blog and a professor of law nyu and allen honig. let's begin with the legal argument that trump's team made that classified documents are essentially like a, quote, overdue library book. >> it's a startling suggestion. it's very cavalier when we are talking about the nation's most heavily guarded secrets, the most highly classified information, higher than top secret. they are being placed in an environment that's very insecure, a resort, subject to public coming in and out, where it also means that the intelligent community is engaged in a damage assessment to see whether or not this implicates the u.s. national security human sources whose lives may be in danger, surveillance programs that might have to be suspended because we have to assume they're compromised. i think it's an unfortunate statement to put it mildly. it's not just receiving a note from your librarian. it's a grand jury subpoena which they seem to have disobeyed. it's something of a much greater magnitude. >> it's interesting that they made that argume

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so ryan goodman, co-editor and the former special counsel to the defense department along with formerouse commun communications director. thanks to both of you. 12 boxes of clippings, that's what you would have found at my mother's house. it wasn't just newspaper clippings. it's newspaper clippings and there's about 12 boxes. what does it tell you of mark meadow's description. i don't even know how many boxes. but he was completely wrong. >> right. he was off by a little, it might be explicable but we really are talking about dozens of boxes and over 300 classified documents and several of them with color-coded front covers that tay secret, top secret and the rest of it. so there's a clearly false statement that he's conveying to the national archives. i think he faces criminal jeopardy if he knew that what he wa was a false statement. maybe trump lies to him, for example, and then he conveys that to the archives. but that's i think the issue for him. and i think that that would be of concern for him and his lawyers. >> i want to ask you about the implications of that. first of all, y

i also want to bring in now ryan goodman, former special council at the department of defense, no co-editor in chief of justice security blog and now professor at the nyu school of law. and shan wu. these 11,000 documents mixed in with classified items, mixed in with press clippings and the fact they were found not just in a carton in a storage room, but these documents found intermingled in the president's office. what does that say to you? >> so i do think it spells criminal exposure for the president because the fact it's in his office means that's the place he is, it would probably be in his possession personally. the fact it's commingled means it's not just segregated but with his other personal stuff. that's why it was relevant before when we knew it was in the same desk drawer as his passports. and then as evan said the justice department june 8th, sends a letter to trump and says keep everything in the storage facility. so the fact they go in and find it in the office, that could be another crime to defy a grand jury subpoena, and that looks like what happened. >> shan, when we look

. >> ryan goodman, thank you very much.n though obviously the january 6th hearing's tomorrow. we've been postponed because of the hurricane. that selection continues tomorrow. >>> next, a story you'll see only out front. more women in the united states learning to fire guns for the first time. and some of them are democrats. >> do you think you'll feel safer if you're carrying? >> oh, definitely, yeah. with all the things that you see on the news, t things are happening more. >>> plus, anderson cooper opening up tonight about his own loss and grief. he's out front. ♪ my relationship with my credit cards wasn't good. i got into debt in college and, no matter how much i paid, it followed me everywhere. between the high interes the fees... i felt trapped. debt, debt, debt. so i broke up with my credit card debt and consolided it into a low-rate personal loan from sofi. i finally feel like a grown-up. break up with bad credit card debt. get a personal loan with no fees, low fixed rates, and borrow up to $100k. go to sofi.com to

former special counsel to the us department of defense, ryan goodman, told the bbc that the washingtonlly behind bars for handling much less sensitive classified information. and it really does intersect with this recent federal court decision to appoint a special master, because she has stopped in its tracks the ability for the fbi and the publicjustice and department of justice through the criminal investigation to use any of this material, so they aren't able to do things like look at fingerprints on this document, look at the chain of custody on the document, so it ups the ante, a lot, for whether or not the justice department tries to immediately appeal her decision. meanwhile, in an interview that aired on friday, donald trump's former attorney general william barr said there is no reason classified documents should have been at mar—a—lago after mr trump was out of office. mr barr told fox news, "people say this was unprecedented. but it's also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club, 0k?" more on that throughout the da

it is so interesting here, ryan, because i think that is among the most familiar scenes from january 6th, that video, of officer goodmanttle we have heard comes from court testimony. talk to us about what we've heard so far. >> that's right. a lot of people know about that video shot by our friend igor, but what we learned on the stand and court filings recently that eugene goodman has a whole story preceded what exactly happened in that video, he actually was outside, and he was getting pepper sprayed, and got hit with air spray outside of the capitol before all of this took place. and he also was involved in an arrest, he actually put someone in a police van, because he didn't have as much of a heavy uniform as a lot of the other folks who had harder gear, when he went back out there. he arrived at the capitol on january 6th at 5:00 a.m. and supposed to be posted in the rotunda as members of the house and senate went back and forth as they were going through the certification process. all of that got scrambled and ended up taking this person in custody and got bear sprayed and described this moment where he is in the