join me now is ryan riley, msnbc's justice reporter and -- how january 6th broke justice system. this is just breaking. what are you learning? what do you know? >> that is not going to testify and apparently, you know, can now except some of the recommendations of his lawyers. and there is not a lot of reason for him, legally speaking, to take the stand. he had already testified on -- earlier in the trial. going back to the stand as a witness for the defense was not going to be really beneficial for, him especially given what he said, his lawyer said was the role in imposing this gag order on him, this standing gag order that is still -- has to do with what he can say about the judge. he's not really allowed to go out and attack the judge. essentially, that's what a lot of what he wanted to say was. he had previously attacked the judge on the stand, and he wanted to do it again here. this comes at a time when donald trump is facing multiple criminal trials in the future. you know, we will not be seeing a preview of what is to come yet again in the civil trial tomorrow, it seems. i

ryan riley has the latest. plus -- >> it is language meant to divide us. it is language that i think people have rightly found similar to the language of hitler. >> the biden campaign now explicitly calling out what donald trump is doing. >> i never read mein kampf. >> and rudy giuliani declares bankruptcy rather than pay out millions in lawsuits. just who he owes money to when all in starts, right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. are very polarized country where it's hard to achieve consensus on just about anything, a strong majority of americans believe that donald trump is a crook. this comes from new polling by the new york times which found that 58% of registered voters need the ex president has committed serious federal crimes. just a third of voters, 33% said no he hasn't. that's a 25 point gap. again, in our very divided times, that counts as a very strong consensus. to be clear, this is not some abnormally anti trump survey. in the very same poll, 46% of registered voters said they would vote for donald trump if the election were

joining us now, nbc news justice reporter ryan riley, author of sedition hunters, now january 6th broke the justice system. so ryan, walk us through what happened in maine. unlike colorado, its state supreme court ruled this decision unilaterally was made by the state's secretary of state bellows. what do we know about her reasoning behind her decision? >> that's right. that's why it puts us in a different category where you have this one official who is unilaterally making this decision as opposed to a board of justices and reviewing the evidence through a court process. that's the way things are set up in maine. what bellows said is she felt duty bound by the evidence presented to make this decision. take a listen. >> the weight of the evidence, all of the evidence, made clear that mr. trump was aware of the tinder laid by a multimonth effort to delegitimize a democratic election. the election of 2020. and then chose to light a match on january 6th. >> so what we have here is one individual who can sort of be the focus of a lot of ire we have seen come from a lot of trump supporters i

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. >> >> joining me right, now nbc's ryan riley. the author of the book sedition hunters, how january 6th broke the justice system. welcome to you, ryan. go through the damages that giuliani was found liable for. and how did that jury come up with that huge amount, and can giuliani appeal it? >> yes. so, you'll see it on your screen in a moment, essentially the breakdown hears of over 16 million eachon the first number, and then 24 -- emional damages, and then an additional $75,000 for punitive damages. quite a total there, as 100 $48 million. whh is a lot of money. it's something that would hit anyone heard, even someone who is extremely rich. that's something that would probably only not impact someone like jeff bezos really. this is a significant number. they're gonna go through every avenue they can. but i think that the reason that the number got that big was because of what they argued during the plaintiffs argued their closing argument here. really telling the jury of eight in this case they needed to send a message to make s

justice reporter ryan riley joins us, glen kirsch in, msnbc legal annualers and dave jolly from florida, also a msnbc political analyst. ryan. trump's campaign has vowed to chance this decision in maine. where does it go next? >> the supreme court ultimately. that's where a lot of the challenges will end up. 2024 will be full of a lot of these casesp to the supreme court. whether it's -- so you can expect the supreme court to be playing a pretty major role in this 2024 race. so, i think, you know, there's a difference between the maine decision, where this was a decision made by an official appointed by elected officials, one person it boils down to, whereas the colorado case is more about justices on the colorado supreme court making a decision in unison and probably may be looked at strongly by the supreme court are or maybe differently out of the case in maine. california going in a completely op set direction, saying that donald trump should have access to the ballot here. this will be an interesting next few weeks and months into 2024. >> this highlights the differences in various

ryan riley is following this for us. so, ryan, what new details have we learned from this report? >> essentially that the group organizing january 6th was misleading the national parks service in the report from the interior department here lays out how. if this were a stationary event, it would be policed much different. having it march from this event where it took place is a whole different sort of law enforcement response. that's not what they were prepared for that day and what the people who got the permit were saying. in fact, one of the officials said so, basically, she lied to all of us. speaking about one of the organizers saying there was not going to be a march tth capitol. another quote from one of the messages sent from one of the organizers, they said it cannot get out about the march because i will be in trouble with the national parks service and all the agencies but potus is going to just call for it unexpectedly. so obviously they were trying to work around some of the restrictions here and say this was just a spontaneous march to avoid getting into the weeds wi

nbc news justice reporter ryan riley joins me now. he's the author of a fantastic new book, "sedition hunters: how january 6th broke the justice system." i cannot recommend it more highly. i don't have a lot of nbc correspondents on cnn very often. but this is a really good book and he's a really good reporter. ryan, thanks so much for being here. so the supreme court is looking to review the conviction of joseph fischer, just to inform folks at home. he was charged with multiple crimes related to january 6th including assaulting a police officer, disorderly conduct and obstruction of a congressional proceeding. the court's going to review whether the obstruction law is too broad and whether it can be applied to january 6th cases. so what kind of impact could that have if they find that the application of the obstruction law is too broad? >> really huge. i've spoken with some people inside the justice department who are kind of worried about this. right? this would affect over 300 cases. just to give you a sense of the scope of this i

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. >> ryan riley, thank you so much for starting us off this evening. we'll go to our next guest. harry litman is a former deputy assistant attorney general for the department of justice and the is now a legal affairs columnist for the los angeles times. paul butler is a former federal prosecutor who served in the public integrity unit at the doj and now teaches at georgetown university law center. theyer both join me now. i'm glad to have you all here. i'm not a lawyer, i only play one on tv. harry, here's my question. so what does jack smith hope is going to be the ruling? like what could chutkan actually say, what could her ruling be? could she basically say, hey, anysi reference to undercover agents is thrown out? would that limit to what trump would say in trial? what's a ruling actually like. >> that's definitely it because these are rulings you could otherwise make during the heat of the trial,de and smith is saying let's do this up front and let's get this off the table. look, if you're doing -- it's notou simply these things as ry detailed are far-fetched, they're illegal

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joining me msnbc news justice reporter ryan riley. bring us up to speed on what happened in maine and how donald trump is now reacting. >> >> yes. as you expect the trump campaign plans to file an appeal quickly and get this through the court system very quickly and something that goes before the supreme court just as we saw in the colorado situation, although those are, obviously, much different cases. this could end up being looped or joined together before the supreme court to deal with a number of these challenges. you have other states like california that chose to go a different way and allow donald trump to be on the ballot despite some of the political leanings of the stateik california and the figures who would make that decision there. it speaks to going into 2024, how many challenges donald trump is facing here, right. 91 criminal charges. right now there's a trial on the books for m a trials scheduled down the road after that, four separate cri st a really tight legal calendar i think for donal trump going in to the new ye

ryan riley is reporting for us outside the district court in washington, d.c., former u.s. attorney, university of michigan law professor and an msnbc legal analyst. so i understand the court just came back into session after lunch break, ryan. this morning, jurors did hear from shaye moss for two hours. what did she have to say and what did the judge tell giuliani before the jury was brought back in a few minutes ago? >> yeah, it was really dramatic testimony about how the impact of these lives had on her life. this was a job that she got after she graduated from college and had worked there for five years. first as a temporary worker then a permanent job. she had been hoping for a promotion and thought she would be eligible after all these lies were spread. in fact, the day she found out about these false videos, she went in with a smile on her face when she went in to meet with her boss because she thought she was getting a promotion she thought she had earned. but it turned out it was much more devastating news. it really upended her life. she said she put

. >> ryan riley, thank you. barbara, let's get into this.wrence o'donnell, quote, -- not dischargeable in bankruptcy. it may be that ruby freeman and shaye moss are able to chase rudy giuliani to his grave to catch every penny they can out of his pockets. how much of this almost $150 million are they actually going to see? >> it is a really difficult question to answer. one of the things that rudy giuliani refused to do was to disclose his assets. that was part of the discovery violation that he made here. there is reporting that he gets money for his podcast, that he has this 6 million dollar apartment, and he refused to allow them to see how much he had and where it is. with this judgment, what they can do is give orders from the clerk's office to garnish anyway just by sending them to whoever is sending them to him and put leans on his properties. through those methods, they can go after his assets and recover them up to the amount of judgment. >> i want to play for you some sounds if we can of ruby freeman after the verdict on friday. >>

joining us from out the court how to is justice reporter ryan riley.it or something from rudy giuliani a acknowledging that he was lying about the two women? am i remembering that correctly? >> reporter: you are. over the summer there was an acknowledgment that those statements were, in fact, false. obviously it's not something that rudy believes given his statements yesterday. and it really is just -- you wonder where rudy falls on this now because it's crazy to believe these allegations at this point, right. they have been so thoroughly disproven, and for someone to lean into there and say that these -- lean into there and say that these lies are true, remarkable, coming from a once u.s. attorney and mayor of new york. that's the situation we're in with shay moss testifying about the impact that this had on her lives. she discussed how she only told her mother recently that she had to take medication as a result of the depression that she's suffered as a result of this, how when she went into a chick-fil-a to apply for a job the manager turned around

joining me to discuss this is ryan riley, justice reporter nbc news, and author of sedition hunters, how january 6th broke the justice system. ryan, thank you for joining me this evening. i have to start with this. so one part of the ruling we are waiting to hear. jack smith is laying out to judge chutkan, i don't want trump to do the thing that we know that trump is going to do. is this working the rafts? is this saying hey, you know that shaq is going to spin more than three seconds. is he working the rafts here? or does he actually think judge chutkan can stop trump from doing the thing he always does? >> i think this has happened in separate cases before with other january six defendants where they have tried to bring up these irrelevant charges that aren't based in any fact or reality about the fbi sort of setting up january 6th, this notion that the fbi was controlling the figures behind the scenes and we're directing these trump supporters to do these terrible things and oh, lo and behold, i got caught and it's something i wasn't supposed to do. i think it speaks to the failure

ryan riley has the latest. do we know what happened here? >> well, his attorney sort of was asked whether or not he was falling on his shield but the attorney said he had just misread the order but the judge really laid into the attorney saying it really sort of set the tone for the trial in questioning how could you have missed that or did you miss it. asking if he misread the order. the lawyer really took responsibility for it saying it was his fault and rudy was back up in new york. so some of the questions potential jurors are going to face include whether or not they listened to giuliani's podcast. that gets underway on monday. not a really great start. a pretty rough start for giuliani here, chris. >> a lot of people seem to know he was expected there but maybe not his lawyer. ryan, thank you for that. >>> just four candidates will be on stage tomorrow for the final republican presidential debate and for the fourth time, donald trump will be elsewhere. dasha burns joins us now. we can say this is their last best chance to have an audie

my colleague ryan riley was in the courtroom. >> it was really dramatic testimony from this election worker who is just talking about the devastating impact that these lies from rudy giuliani really had on her life. shaye moss talked about how this really did just take over her life. she talk about shutting down her facebook messenger because she was getting all of this racist garbage coming into her inbox, and shutting out her linkedin account as well. even pinterest people went after her. even after she moved because of the threat she was receiving, they found her new address, and center clippings of her own face in their. so, just the sort of vague, threatening messages, all sort of with this layer of racism all around them. and she talked about how she thinks rudy has compared them to bank robbers. she really, i think, made a compelling case for the jury here. >> last night, outside the courthouse, giuliani falsely claimed in public that he told the truth about these women. today, the judge reprimanded him for doing so, and said his comments could support a another defamation cla

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ryan riley, he literally wrote the book on tracking down the capitol rioters.udermilk mentioned sleuths online. you wrote -- none of them hold a candle to the impact the sedition hunters have had, working out of their home offices, kitchen tables, and in one case a sleeper cab of their semitruck. this group of anonymous americans have been working to hold the fbi's feet to the fire to make sure the cases don't get buried. it was a pivot point for the fbi and law enforcement, which were called flat-footed, despite all the warn signs flashing online. ryan, tell us more about the sedition hunters, why they were so vital to deal justice. >> barry loudermilk keeps botching the name, it's not the insurrection hunters, but sedition hunters, but they had a real impact on the investigations. they're better at organiing a lot of this behind the scenes, which is dealing with the different silos and field offices across the country. the way the fbi puts together cases is really based on paperwork. this is about getting the raw dodd. even though they're blurring this footag

joining us now is justice reporter ryan riley at the courthouse for us.s office and msnbc legal analyst melissa redman. claire mccaskill rejoins us. welcome to all of you. what happened today in court? >> reporter: it was really dramatic testimony as you walk through there from this election worker talking about the devastating impact that these lies from rudy giuliani really had on her life. is and just set where this happened. this was in early december of 2020. so at that point rudy giuliani was sort of dismissed by a lot of the mainstream media. everyone treated those false claims as they were because it was obvious they were throwing anything out there. this was about a month after think had the infamous press conference at four seasons total landscaping. this is when the elite strike force team was also offer aing testimony. today they had testimony that they played from jenna ellis when she took the fifth several times. but this came in in december when rudy giuliani was being pair did on "snl" because of the ridiculous claim he was making about th

investigator for the january 6th select committee and at the table, nbc news justice reporter and author, ryan riley and msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin. could not think of better people to be with us today. lisa, break down this ruling. what does it mean? >> essentially confirms what jack smith's team told her over the weekend. the trial cannot go forward until trump's assertion of constitutional immunity is resolved either by the d.c. circuit or by the supreme court. at the same time, she's giving jack smith's team what they said they wanted. they are saying to her you still have jurisdiction to enforce the basic rules of this proceeding. that means you can enforce his conditions of release, which are the circumstances under which he's still a free man having been indicted and maybe most importantly, you can enforce the protective order. trump has been given 13 million some pages of discovery in this case and a protective order precludes him from sharing with the public. like regina george. he still needs to keep those materials secret until further order by the court. so this is essentially what

so much for making the time to speak with us about a steven ryan from the international committee of the red cross and gaza. now most is riley's still support war, but there are some who wants to end the bloodshed. deed of you corresponded and fluff. schultz reports from raleigh in tel aviv, where air of and jewish is, or at least have a come together to call for peace. the hundreds of people demanding peace and one of the few occasions read. zeus and these right aly arabs coming together. it's a very courageous thing. in these paula rose paula rice times. the reason with me now is ivy and the nothing in the evenings are the can you tell me, is it really are the right time to speak about these? yeah, i believe that this is the best time. this is the time that we need to show appropriate for my children and people. it's new room for the children of the old and also for the children of gaza. this is the, the blood, this time in the story of the conflicts. and we must change, you try to know him, of course, and what i'm trying to say as an arab, it's hard to, to be helpful nowadays as opinion based. mean m is almost no other word

ryan from the international red cross that most israelis do still support the war. but there are some who want an end to the bloodshed, dw correspondent young phillip shots reports from the riley and tell a v for arab and jewish israelis have come together to call for peace. the just hundreds of people demanding peace and one of the few occasions, red jews and these right aly arabs coming together. it's a very courageous thing in these paula rose paula rice times and the reason with me now is ivy and the nothing in the evening of the can you tell me? is it really or the right time to speak about these? yeah, i believe that this is the best time. this is the time that we need to show it appropriate for my children and people. it's new room for the children of the old and also for the children of gaza. this is the, the blood, this time in the story of the conflicts and we must change, you try to know him, of course. and what i'm trying to say as an arab, it's hard to, to be helpful nowadays as opinion based. mean m is almost no other words, no other words. thank you so much things on the people here. they refuse to give in to anger and take a big achievement in those dark days h

it's still also very clear what the is, ryan is in game is a and you know, who is going to run gaza once the we will find the finishes when it comes to d, as riley's and the americans. that is again, something that they disagree on. how much of an issue is that gonna be? well, the problem is, is the expectations of the, i mean that the people from, from westbank would take care of what is going on. and gus is totally ridiculous. nobody would really engage into in. yeah, just to remind not be with why that is ridiculous. why do you think that's where the people in ga, so they don't think that the ones that they are in westbank for reasons of their westbank. they replaced some of them, a, something you aware of whether the thing that's how much this will be sending them at least part of the body. so they can defend it by how much. but nobody believes in guys had that there. and that's how i policy. i'm afraid be sleepy, something them, i mean they, they didn't when the elections, nobody think that they are every have support or that they can deal with that more work was here that they are 330 or the separate it. so it'd be kind of the been comfortab

riley, the author -- of how january 6th broke the justice system. former federal prosecutor and legal analysts -- to talk through the stuff. ryan, talk through the numbers here. you and i spoke yesterday, we were looking at possibly 40, eight $50 million. theyere asking for 24 reached to each election worker. this is a heck of a lot more than that. >> it, is and it's the punitive damages that came in there. they left that up to the jury to decide on their own what sort of -- would send a message to the broader public about these lies that giuliani told and send a message to other people who might be thinking of spreading similar lies. that is what we heard afterwards from sheamus, talking about the importance of poll workers and not wanting other poll workers and election workers to be afraid when they go out themselves and take on these roles in 2024. certainly that figure, that attention grabbing figure is going to spread a message pretty far and wide about these false claims that ultimately led up to the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol. it seems like rudy giuliani is still lost in this world where he still believes th