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someone like paul ryan, or scott walker. we are hearing from donald trump and others. donald trump over the weekend saying that the system is rigged. where does this put the leadership, including reince priebus? >> this comes at a very sensitive moment because donald thesehas been leveling activations against reince priebus and his allies that somehow the system is rigged against him. he says it will take power away from those who would oversee the convention and give it more to the grassroots. the way this rule would work is, individual delegates will be given more power to determine how proceedings would go on the floor. a time that a delicate wants to object, they have to be recognized by the presiding chair. ,he person overseeing this which is a role that will be filled by paul ryan will have less power. usually the presiding officer is able to dictate how things go. you have toound recognize each and every delegate should they have an objection. >> the next rules committee will be made up of delegates attending the convention and weak leader in cleveland. explain

paul ryan. scott walker suggested as such. state delegates, mitt romney is another one whose strategy appears to have a contested convention. if it comes down there and there's an attempt to leapfrog over the people with more delegates, more votes, won more states and give them the nomination, won't the people that voted and caucused for trump and cruz be angry? >> well, it is more than that. the romney people in their hubris and desire to be all-controlling adopted a set of rules that make it really, really hard for anybody else to get in the game and if you look at the actual rules and anybody who wants to can go to the republican national committee so the whole country can see it. if you go look at it, you find out it says you have to have earned -- not necessarily a win. earned the majority of eight states so florida, for example, theoretically, although they're pledged to trump, could decide they're going to vote to put kasich in nomination. i'll let you decide how likely that is. but if you're not one of the people nomin

paul ryan. scott walker suggested as such. state delegates, mitt romney is another one whose strategy appears to have a contested convention. if it comes down there and there's an attempt to leapfrog over the people with more delegates, more votes, won more states and give them the nomination, won't the people that voted and caucused for trump and cruz be angry? >> well, it is more than that. the romney people in their hubris and desire to be all-controlling adopted a set of rules that make it really, really hard for anybody else to get in the game and if you look at the actual rules and anybody who wants to can go to the republican national committee so the whole country can see it. if you go look at it, you find out it says you have to have earned -- not necessarily a win. earned the majority of eight states so florida, for example, theoretically, although they're pledged to trump, could decide they're going to vote to put kasich in nomination. i'll let you decide how likely that is. but if you're not one of the people nomin

paul ryan, scott walker, they are understated are conservatives. i mean, temperamentally.. and not at all like donald trump. >> and there's also, i think, you know, i think you can't remove it from the context of the walker wars here. you've got a situation in which this has been the site of the most sort of brutal iterative battles of our time, with walker facing re-election three out of four years, a movement that's massively mobilized. these are folks that are used to being mobilized. they've been mobilizing essentially nonstop for five years. it's a much easier machine to sort of switch on than the machine has been in other states, where you don't have that same kind of capacity at the ready. >> you know, you're right, chris. i've been saying for some time, there really aren't that many political machines left in america, other than, say, harry reid knows how to turnout union members in nevada. i usually give every advantage of a close race in nevada to harry reid and his union, his union machine. but you're exactly right. what's happened in that state over the past fi

ryan. in a private meeting i'm told scott walker suggested the same thing. ove talked about somebody that hadn't run as a consensus candidate. there's been numerous articles written about paul ryan being that possible nominee. john kasich's entire strategy is based on contested convention and leapfrogging over people with millions of more votes, states won and hundreds of more delegates. so there's real reason for people to sense that there's something untoward about to happen. >> that's exactly right. look, i think the trump campaigns, the cruz campaign and all their supporters, they ought to watch this carefully. the rules that get set will help determine what happens, but it's also, it comes down to one very clear principle. it's a -- it's 50% plus 1 of the delegates to this convention are going to pick this nominee so those campaigns have to run in essence two campaigns. they have to win as many states and as many delegates as they can in these states then they have to run a campaign with the delegates that are getting slated in all these states and that

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. >> as has paul ryan. scott ryan -- >> he's not going after paul ryan but really after scott walker. does that alienate potentiam voters tomorrow because scott walker presumably still has some support among republicans. >> i would assume it's not helpful. >> you haven't endorsed anyone. >> i'm staying out of it. >> why not tell the people of your home state of was wis, i think "x" is better than "y." >> i have to have a real comfort level. i did endorse mitt romney before the last primary. and the reason i did, when i met with mitt prior to the primary he expected to be a one-term president because heect anded to fix these problems. knew it wouldn't be popular or fun. when he picked paul ryan as his running mate. i confirmed my choice. i would never do it just strategically. i'd have to have full confidence i've got no questions about the person. >> you don't have full confidence in any of these guys yet. >> i've got concerns. i don't have that comfort level. >> what are your concerns about trump? >> well, for e

donald trump and ted cruz have actually made this a referendum on the leadership of scott walker and to a lesser extent paul ryan yeah, i think this is the home of reince priebus, scott walker and paul ryan. i think his attacks on the republican establishment don't resonate as much here with republican voters because it's kind of a cohesive republican party kind of at war with democrats for many, many years now. it's a conservative republican electorate. you know, an activist i know likened it to trump hitting a cheddar wall in wisconsin when you look at the conservative activists, conservative media, political establishment, governor, all these forces and a republican electorate particularly in southeastern wisconsin where he's deeply unpopular and where republican primaries are decided. >> i like that, cheddar wall. you're from northwestern wisconsin and you said earlier this week that you believe there are a lot of quiet trump supporters in your district and you have the largest district in the state. did you see anything this week or do you think they saw anything this week that would shake that support? >>

but also you have to keep in mind scott walker, paul ryan. all right. sed ted cruz, paul ryan hasn't endorsed anybody. but clearly those two guys, their brand of politics has been really big time conservative issues. >> and they've won. >> and they've won. >> so they have something to be happy about in wisconsin. >> they do. so when they look at that brand of politics, that works better than what the trump brand of politics is right now. >> all right, david, we've been here i want to say four weeks ago. you were convinced trump wasn't going to get the nomination. two weeks ago you wanted to say you were convinced, but you weren't comfortable saying that anymore. where are you today? >> morally defeated. >> something's changed though. >> yeah, something has changed. all these people keep waving from when is he going to turn from a philosopher king, abraham lincoln, he's donald trump. you know, it's all aggression, it's all ignorance all e time. but i think he's going to have a bad week this week. i think he'll probably rally in new york and it will all co

but also you have to keep in mind scott walker, paul ryan. all right. lker's endorsed ted cruz, paul ryan hasn't endorsed anybody. but clearly those two guys, their brand of politics has been really big time conservative issues. >> and they've won. >> and they've won. >> so they have something to be happy about in wisconsin. >> they do. so when they look at that brand of politics, that works better than what the trump brand of politics is right now. >> all right, david, we've been here i want to say four weeks ago. you were convinced trump wasn't going to get the nomination. two weeks ago you wanted to say you were convinced, but you weren't comfortable saying that anymore. where are you today? >> morally defeated. >> something's changed though. >> yeah, something has changed. all these people keep waving from when is he going to turn from a philosopher king, abraham lincoln, he's donald trump. you know, it's all aggression, it's all ignorance all the time. but i think he's going to have a bad week this week. i think he'll probably rally in new york and

someone like paul ryan, or scott walker. >> right

and also among house republicans, paul ryan and scott walker are pretty popular and both men endorsedry real thing for donald trump. >> how are the delegates doled out? >> it's a weird hybrid in wisconsin. they have 42 republican delegates. half of them go to the overall winner and the other half goes to the winners in each congressional district. there are eight districts. it's not one big winner take all. a candidate could win one district and get three delegates. it could be split up if in wisconsin. >> the trump and clint win in, could it be a turning point? >> potentially, but not necessarily. the next primary is new york with a big state that has lots of delegates and clinton and trump are polling way ahead there, double digit leads. they would probably recover after a wisconsin loss but new yorkers don't vote until april 19th. we all know that is plenty of time for lots of surprises. >> thanks a lot, melissa. >>> 6:52. big day for california workers who earn minimum wage. find out what's about to happen. >>> more people than ever are bringing bikes on cal trains. starting today

someone like paul ryan, scott walker. >> host: if they change the rules, right now we are in from donald trump and others, donald trump say the system is rigged your point is this for the republican national committee leadership including chairman ryan's previous? >> caller: this comes at a sensitive moment because donald trump has been leveling these accusations against rnc that some of the system is rigged against them in some a insider trying to ensure that he doesn't win the nomination. what this will do it is particularly sensitive for this reason. the people are supporting this rule are saying it would add a degree of transparency to the process, take power away from insiders who are going to oversee this convention and give it more to the grassroots side of things. specifically the way this rule will work as it would say look, if individual delegates will be given more power to determine how proceedings go on the floor. so anytime a delegate wants to object, they have to be recognized by the presiding chair. what would happen is the presiding chair, the person overseeing this whic

these are the paul ryan, scott walker votes. >> let's play a hypothetical here. that trump does go on to win a contested convention in july. he's the gop nominee. wisconsin, a pivotal state in the general election. are you concerned at all that you and your conservative talk radio friends perhaps will have injured him irreparably in a general election? >> he has zero chance of winning a general election and in wisconsin. absolutely none. he will be annihilated which is one of the reasons why i have been never trump. we don't need to as a conservative and republican, you don't need a 1960 style blowout. which i think donald trump would experience here. >> i spent a lot of time in ohio and other states. the demographics in wisconsin should appeal to a guy like trump based on other states. why has that not happen in the badg badger state? >> we value civility, decent cd. voter turnout. they're locked in, they're paying attention. when donald trump brings his clown car, they're not going to confuse that with an actual conservative. we're not going to buy a fake one.

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ryan scott is the owner and chef and came up with his own version called saved by the bell molten chocolatew the thing to get this great cake and throw some of that sauce on there. all right. you're all over it. what you do is mix it. once they're mixed we're going to do the wet. drop that in the cream for me. excuse me, milk. then dump in butter. this is really good. this is super healthy. >> really coco powder. >> when i was writing this recipe i wanted melted chocolate lava. if i melted the milk, the chocolate and the butter and then whisky whisky that guy. >> in the microwave. >> 45 to 65 seconds and then so the egg doesn't curl add the egg inside there now. okay now what you do is you go here and you go here. literally two minutes you can make this cake just like that. people that can't scoop this and put it into a cup you take an extra five minutes and put it into a pastry bag and then pipe it into here. >> go ahead. >> okay then. >> so hah we do is once you pipe this, is it good. >> it's great. >> butter in the cup. >> i sprayed the cup and lined it. now i took chocolate here. this i

and he barbed paul ryan and governor scott walker in wisconsin. se are the state's two most popular republicans. so last night i asked conservative radio talk show host dan oh donald about that. here's what he said. >> powell ryan, i know, has taken some heat from the right and also from the left since he became ways and means chairman and then of course speaker. here in wisconsin he is very popular. and i thought it was a huge mistake to almost immediately -- and then to add insult to injury, to say it on a radio station in illinois. you know, it's almost like waving a chicago bears flag in packers country. >> what do you think, chicago bears flag. how bad a mistake twhauz? >> don't wave chicago bears flags here. yeah, you know, he really went after governor scott walker pretty brutally, mocking his motorcycle outfits, talking about the state's record. he wasn't as harsh on paul ryan, i didn't think, but he has been going after the republican establishment here, too, and we have rience from wisconsin and while governor walker's ratings have droppe

as a result, that means the voters have to get it out of their mind, this paul ryan factor temporarily. michelle: scott, let's talk about the voters. what are we expecting in terms of voter turn-out since the two front-runners in this contest for president seem to have a lot of people who don't like them? scott: yeah. this is a fascinating thing to dissect. if you look at the new numbers that came out from the "associated press" and some surveying they did, it showed really there is only one candidate in the entire race that has a significantly larger favorable than unfavorable rating. that is actually bernie sanders. every other candidates aside margin of error there, every other candidate has a more unfavorable than favorable rating. when you have four candidates that are struggling to emerge as someone that can enthuse and galvanize voters you start to wonder what does it mean at the polls? are people going to show up? in a presidential cycle, especially one this critical you can't imagine it will keep a lot of people home but they will have to find a reason to like the candidates or as we talk abou

when you saw donald trump attacking paul ryan and attacking scott walker and getting a huge response, you really saw something about the crackup -- similar to the crackup van jones is describing on the democratic side where we actually have a candidate who represents the progressive end of the spectrum and speaking to people who have been heard b by major parties. tapping into working-class republican voters who really ofe not been beneficiaries republican policies and are really noticing an angry. yes, the racism, the white nationalist groups that came in to campaign for trump are absolutely part of that package, but there is also a rebellion against people like paul ryan who had supported corporate trade deals in janesville, which is a rockville area, has seen the gm plant leave which he blamed on obama, although it happened before obama was in office, has really hurt his own constituents and thanks to redistricting has been able to hold onto his seat, even though he loses his hometown of janesville over and over. for paul ryan to be the alternative, that is a program corporate -- p

yyu heard trump bring up scott walker and he got booed. you heard him bring up paul ryan and you heard him get booed. i'm not sure what is going on with the trump campaign. these people are completely different thing than the conservativism that we've seen here in wisconsin. on the other hand, you see a supposed surge from ted cruz. let's not kid ourself, a lot of that surge is in large part because people are really dropping out. a lot of conservatives i've been talking to say they are voting for ted cruz almost as a term of their probation almost. it's not that ted cruz is all that popular. it's he's the one that can stop donald trump. >> michael, christian just mentioned paul ryan of wisconsin. probably one of the most powerful republicans in the country, if not the most powerful republican in the whole country. so much paul ryan speculation floating around. ted cruz sort of taking a vailed threat at that or shot saying no chance for a white night. what do you make of all this in. >> i think ted cruz and donald trump will have a lot to say about that and they're suppor

scott walke, paul ryan, and a variety of others.thats the buz donald trump is running into, not so much the establishment, per se. >> what do you think of it or governor walker used your program to introduce senator ted cruz? charlie sykes: i have known governor walker since he was, before he was in the state legislature. we go they whack. and i think that scott walker and other conservatives in wisconsin have a very close relationship to talk radio. talk radio has been the way they have been able to go around the mainstream media, the way they have been able to build support in this state, the way i wish they had been able to inseminate their ideas. given my relationship with walker, it was not all that surprising. >> donald trump phoned into your program on monday and we will hear an excerpt in a moment. but how did this come about? charlie sykes: that was surprising. that i did not see coming, i will be honest with you. i am actually taking a nap on easter sunday after brunch and my producer says "are you sitting down?" trump, 8:

he discussed the state of the race with scott pelley. paul ryan before the interview he will not be a nominee for president. what is your reaction to that? >> he would be, look if i am president here, paul ryan and i will work very favorably together. he is an idea guy. i'm an idea guy. and i look forward to working with him, to actually acompolish things. >> the irony is you are the most likely republican to win in november and the least likely to be nominated. >> how do you make the argument that the guy that gets the most votes doesn't win. >> we had ten contested conventions. of the ten, only three times did the front-runner, was the front-runner selected. seven times it was someboetd other than the front-runner. >> but you are number three. i can understand an argument. >> so was lincoln. >> so was lincoln. >> i'm not lincoln. >> this ain't 1860 either a uh awe that's right. >> governor you are not the front-runner. you are not the second runner. you are way off in third. >> right now. >> you could make an argument for the guy who came in sec

ryan. when he brings up the name scott walker, there were boos, okay? even more surprisingly, he brought up -- he brings up paul ryan's name and he hears boos again, and that surprised him. he said, "are you guys republicans?" and they said yes. but when i talk to voters, what they see is a guy who is going to change things. they believe he is a winner or he's going to get the country back to winning. and they're tired of what they say republicans not getting the job done, at least in washington. >> all right, my nbc family colleague james benson, thank you for the conversation. appreciate it. >>> bernie sanders has had trouble winning the african-american vote, but there are new indications that it could all change on tuesday in wisconsin. we're exploring that next. (vo) if you have type 2 diabetes, you may know what it's like to deal with high... and low blood sugar. januvia (sitagliptin) is a once-daily pill that, along with diet and exercise, helps lower blood sugar. januvia works when your blood sugar is high d works less when your blood sugar is lo

i do not under estimate the scott walker, paul ryan machine. they beat back two recalls.y beat back a state senate recall. >> ben were being -- i won't say dismissive but they were, i think, personally they were under estimating the governor's operation in his own state there. what do you think? >> well, but don't under estimate donald trump. i spoke to him sunday to wish him happy easter. he told me no one will out campaign him in wisconsin. he's doing two stops. he was criticized for going to paul ryan's hometown but lou, he's going to where the republicans are. he's appearing in the two media markets where most of the republican vote is. it's only common sense. so i wouldn't count trump out in wisconsin by a long shot. >> i'm not counting him out at all. >> very competitive. >> who is -- okay. that's it. competitive and we'll find out what is most affected at garnering those votes. you're feeling good. others coming into the campaign or is he standing pat? >> no, i think the convention operation is very different and specific animal. and i think it was an excellent cho

you found some people who say i think it should be paul ryan, others say maybe scott walker.s a sense that the people backing cruz are, i think, less excited about cruz than they are about stopping trump. the weird thing is, where i see excitement is often, oddly, at a lot of kasich events. a lot of people go to kasich events who seem quite genuine. >> scot ross, let's gawk about the party in general to stop trump sense that john talked about. there's an nbc news story that talks about the koch brothers focusing on down ballot races and with trump ahead, ignoring the presidential race. it you see that kind of big money maybe moving down ballot if trump becomes the inevitable nominee? >> yeah, in wisconsin, we have a u.s. senate race where tea party incumbent ron johnson is being challenged by former senator russ feingold. so yeah, there's certainly a concern, i'm guessing, amongst democrats. if trump is the nominee, and the >> i love it. scot ross bringing back the brady bunch and giving us starsky and hutch with the jacket. i love it. scot ross, thank you, michael steele wil