i think ryan zinke he is doing a good job. there is a tendency for congress itself, people and agencies are living within this bubble and they do not know what you need to do it and what harm we do not do. one area has been mined forever. they are trying to make them revegetate to the original state. let's go back to the original state. that is silly. somebody sitting here making up some ideas, foolish ideas. it hurts my alaskan constituency. >> 3714 miles between washington and juneau. >> from juneau, alaska, to my hometown is a little over 18,000 miles. -- a little over 1500 miles. host: how do you bridge that gap here in the congress? what do you tell young congressmen? >> i have no problem with young congressmen. they all know who item. no one sits in my chair. there is a reason for that. i started this 25 years ago because i found out when you are running around, you are really chasing your own tail. you don't really know what is going on, like i am talking to. if you said in one spot and watch, you know who is talking an

. >> laura: secretary ryan zinke, you were the officer and charged with the first joint u.s. special forces up after the fall of the soviet union. so what is your assessment of what we are currently seeing from russia in ukraine, it things that will intensify? putin does not want a p.r. disaster and this is becoming a p.r. disaster for him. he has that era about him. how with the special forces from the russian military be used? >> well, russians are definitely tough but urban warfare will be tougher. going door to door, the russians if they get bogged down in kyiv, the tanks will not be a lot of help in close quarters. tanks are vulnerable by the missile systems from looking from a point of being in a building looking down. tanks have become very vulnerable. an urban warfare, i think it will stop the russian movement. and putin will have to make a very difficult decision. to go on and crush resistance at great cost or negotiate. >> laura: well, senator sullivan, right now the concern on the part of the americans, i think, and you can't blame them after iraq and afghanistan a