i think that's dangerous. >> larry: s.e.?> this health care bill, i think, is a disaster for small businesses. it's going to strangle small businesses. it's not 48 million uninsured. it's far less. that number has become sort of ubiqutous. >> larry: how do you know? >> i called the census bureau. 4 to 5 million of that number are people my age who don't want health insurance but could afford it. when you get really right down to it it's more like 9 million. not that they should be ignored. but why would we trample on the rights of the many to satisfy the rights of the few when most of us are pretty satisfied with what we have? we're going to be putting small businesses out of business because we're going to require them -- why would a small business owner, who can save 8% per employee by siphoning them off into some government health care option, why would they choose private health care? the insurer you have now and like will be gone in a couple of years. >> larry: i like them until i get sick. >> well -- >> larry: thank you

. >> larry: but s.e., i don't mean to interrupt, but he also, apparently as we discovered, there wasormation prior to that that could have prevented 9/11. wouldn't that have been better? >> let's be very clear. these fundamentalists are going to try to attack us regardless of who is in the oval office. and this is not obama's fault. however, he's making serious, serious misjudgments, miscalculations about our national security, both in his tone and tenor and in the actual practical measures that he's initiating, closing gitmo and trying terrorists as criminals. >> larry: tanya, democratic senator daniel inouye dismisses the comments saying that cheney has lost all his credible. >> of course he has. the former vice president has been rooting for the failure of this administration since january. none of this is any surprise. but i find it so interesting again, this curiously short memory that he seems to have about the nation's efforts to fight terrorism. were we at war when the bush administration reduced new york city's anti-terror funding by $80 million on the ground that there were

i cannot speak for mmd s.e..they must of had detention facility but i regard that separate from the question you're asking. i had no input into those arrangements. if ambassador bremer had an input into them because they were being run by the u.s. military and he did not have direct responsibility for them, i was not brought into those discussions. we had some concerns that too many detainees were being held without being processed through the courts. this was something that anne cluid, as the special envoy for human rights affairs was concerned with. we would raise those concerns with the ambassador bremer and with general sanchez, the american commander on the ground to see if more people could be put through the courts so that innocent people were not held for longer than necessary. we only had a limited amount of success in that area. we did not have day-to-day site of what was going on. >> a abu ghraib game after you had left -- of a great came after you left. the military work -- aby ghraib abu ghraib happe

from my perspective and this may predate your involvement at the s.e.s.e.c., but having observed over the course now of these two years the madoff fiasco and the travesty s travesty that it has created not just for the american people, but the federal government and the s.e.c. failed. it failed miserably. when we had the whistleblower. us, i was astonished at the degree by which he continued to pursue this. i mean, he came before the s.e.c. five or six times seeking the s.e.c. to take some action against mr. madoff. and even when the s.e.c. went out to see mr. madoff, mr. madoff has now admitted that when the question was asked of him, who is your custodian, and he rattled off the name and he was convinced within next three days he would be shut down because the custodian did not provide those services but the s.e.c. never even made the phone call to find out whether or not whether mr. madoff was operating through that custodian. from my perspective, the government, the federal government, failed miserably and the s.e.c. in particular. so my question to

from my perspective and this may predate your involvement at the s.e. s.e.c., but having observed over the course now of these two years the madoff fiasco and the travesty s travesty that it has created not just for the american people, but the federal government and the s.e.c. failed. it failed miserably. when we had the whistleblower. us, i was astonished at the degree by which he continued to pursue this. i mean, he came before the s.e.c. five or six times seeking the s.e.c. to take some action against mr. madoff. and even when the s.e.c. went out to see mr. madoff, mr. madoff has now admitted that when the question was asked of him, who is your custodian, and he rattled off the name and he was convinced within next three days he would be shut down because the custodian did not provide those services but the s.e.c. never even made the phone call to find out whether or not whether mr. madoff was operating through that custodian. from my perspective, the government, the federal government, failed miserably and the s.e.c. in particular. so my question t

whatever reason seem to prefer to consume news, information that supports their own predilections and by s.es little bubbles around themselves. technology makes it an easy thing to do. you can do that. >> people are exploiting that. the journalistic model. >> and doing very well. you can find enough stuff on washington post to read all day long. or the other direction, you can go to half a dozen blocks and never read anything that challenges your view of the world. that is a problem for society. maybe this is self justification. the media is putting lots of stuff out there. if you want quality information about what is going on in the world of finance you can but you have got to do it. >> a lot of the media stuff -- there is an old joke in our business about television, the marching orders in television news are get out and scratch the surface. unfortunately we are not talking about a subject that can be adequately presented by scratching the surface. you probably have to deal with this every day. >> there are two points in here. it is not the democratization of the media in that anyone can r