s.f.? and like if so, you know, how many and how would their health outcome be measured? is there actually notable changes? or how to engage services. >> i don't poke into the medical record to examine those indicators. but if the health commission wanted us to, then we would prioritize. >> i think part of it is like going back to history lessons. , you know, first transgender clinic started in the city is to really like look at -- to provide, you know, like patient-centered care. you know, give the patient what they need. give the patient what they want, and so i think that's really the spirit, providing comprehensive, like transitional and affirming services is to be able to like help them also get what they need. and so that's the crucial part for us. >> depending on the procedure, the rate of h.i.v.-positive patients we're seeing differs. but for vaginal plasty, it's somewhere around 15% to 20% of all of our vaginal plasty referrals and procedures h.i.v.-positive. and as far as i -- we've looked at, we're not seeing any difference in the outcomes for those patients. sometimes does take a good bit more planning and good bit more coordination with the surgeons to make sure that su