the main complaints with their folks martin is on the executive board at the business software maker s.h.p. and can tell me a lot about breaking through the glass ceiling but 1st of all tell me what's wrong with brothers tech startups e well look you know i think that when we look at the opportunity here it the opportunity is really to bring diversity which essentially brings innovation into that startup community and i think women in particular encounter some challenges and sometimes it's an unconscious bias in the narrative women tell us that they don't have role models in the tech startup area they tell us that they aren't able to find mentors and the narrative is with men how are you going to win and with women how are you going to prevent your south losing and then as you said earlier you can see that reflected and have enter capital is allocated you know what is the problem is it is it still a boys' club amongst these venture capitalists i think it's a multifaceted issue and i think it stems all of the way back to education and the uptake of. subjects' specifically when relating to h