and those 2 areas refused to be part of a post soviet georgia particularly one ruled by mikhail saakashvili what he attempted to do in 2008 was to knock both those obstacles out at the same time by re incorporating up cars in south ossetia even getting the russian peacekeepers and then making himself nato ready i would argue that selenski is preparing to do precisely the same thing as a matter of fact he's quoted in the ukrainian news today as is is pushing the membership action plan you know the final step before for nato membership as a matter of fact i should mention the ukrainian press today also quotes the ukrainian ambassador to germany saying it's either nato or nuclear weapons i'm not paraphrasing i'm quoting he says either nato gives us membership action program we enter the alliance or we may be forced to redo the nuclear option that's a quote from the ukrainian ambassador to germany so i mean this is i understand rhetoric it's not playing out but it's clearly i think a situation in analogy exactly the one you've established peter which is ukraine sees it's the necessity of resolv

and putin you know the rhetoric was pretty bombastic here but we have to remember that you know saakashvili miscalculated is going to do exactly the same thing because the result could be the same defeat go ahead rick. yeah the parallel is astonishing a race at the nato summit in bucharest romania in 2008 georgia and ukraine which have been pared by nato is 2 countries that will enter at the same time and they were promised a full nato membership assuming they met nato preconditions for for that incorporation the 2 obstacles at that time and not go between for georgia and ukraine to enter nato is full members are on resolve territorial disputes on their on their soil and the presence of foreign military personnel on their territory in the case of 2008 with south though said you had small contingents of russian peacekeepers mandated by the commonwealth of independent states by the way and those 2 areas refused to be part of a post soviet georgia particularly one ruled by mikhail saakashvili what he attempted to do in 2008 was to knock both those obstacles out at the same time by re incorpora

of south ossetia and then the georgia decided we will try to liberate as they say the president saakashvili said that region and russia of course was nearby was ready in a standby motos and then the invasion was legitimized so to say yes and this is this is what russia maybe would like to see in ukraine as well russia would like to see ukraine make a mistake and maybe let itself be provoked by by the fighting of the recent weeks and this is this is probably the biggest danger and the biggest challenge for the ukrainian government but i don't see any proof or any any evidence that ukraine might do that because if you if you take a c.n.n. camera team with you you're just trying to show to the world you're trying to use the media ukrainian president is a media medium and he's a media and he used to be a comedian he used to be a television star so that's what he does and what he can what he cannot do is a militia to do anything militarily is in a let me ask you this the fact is the conflict in eastern ukraine is mainly russian speaking and many of its residents now have russian passports russia

west will quickly forget the provocation from the ukraine and fred went before god that it was saakashvili who started that christina just on the 7th of august 1st 2008 it was state esseily who bombarded seen violet only lead to russian question vote but you know the western public is just fed part of the story that's the usual tactic you know they got the beginning or they cut their hand you know they they feed the public the boss that is most 'd that is in the interest of all their ultra liberal ideology and they and they just forget about the rest it happens very rarely that we have the articles like the one in the. demo you can spectator recently which basically reminded people that you know me called the president the american mess in the ukraine by william smith he just reminded people of the author of the american spectator then it was the us who helped the coup in. falls in 14 which actually just out of the whole the whole tragedy of that and that i think will mention for the 1st time i think in the in 7 years that it must be new and who basically a point of being you don't train y

of south ossetia and then the georgia decided we will try to liberate as they say the president saakashvili said that region and russia of course was nearby was ready in a standby motos and then the invasion was legitimized so to say yes and this is this is what russia maybe would like to see in ukraine as well russia would like to see ukraine make a mistake and maybe let itself be provoked by by the fighting of the recent weeks and this is this is probably the biggest danger and the biggest challenge for the ukrainian government but i don't see any proof or any any evidence that ukraine might do that because if you if you take a c.n.n. camera team with you you're just trying to show to the world you're trying to use the media ukrainian president is a media medium and he's a media and he used to be a comedian he used to be a television star so that's what he does and what he can what he cannot do is a military style do anything charlie is you know let me ask you this the fact is the conflict in eastern ukraine is mainly russian speaking and many of its residents now have russian passports.

problems right now i mean it and i'm just kind of mystified i mean i guess it's kind of like the saakashvili you know phenomenon you know that he believes all these really wonderful stories and the little trinkets they put in front of him but it didn't it didn't solve any of george's problems either i just again that's why i asked of these people ideologues of the opportunists how would you describe them go ahead well basic problem for the politically leaching here is because it doesn't run it's to revive the economy after all it is the whole dependent really on western and by the way also on the u.s. but as john's just aren't so also we're also our own and so you have a situation that will be more persistent which were serious or most improvement to before with your life or getting rid of corruption and so on getting middle syphon your money out into our bank account so you get a real up arms and all are being put on the back and as you say this is not just the koreans trying to press documents or translate some of the republicans but seem to aspire to be on the the new house oh wait a minu

of south ossetia and then the georgia decided we will try to liberate as they say the president saakashvili said that region and russia of course was nearby was ready in a standby motos and then the invasion was legitimized so to say yes and this is this is what russia maybe would like to see in ukraine as well russia would like to see ukraine make a mistake and maybe let itself be provoked by by the fighting of the recent weeks and this is this is probably the biggest danger and the biggest challenge for the ukrainian government but i don't see any proof or any any evidence that ukraine might do that because if you if you take a c.n.n. camera team with you you're just trying to show to the world you're trying to use the media ukrainian president is a media medium and he's a media and he used to be a comedian he used to be a television star so that's what he does and what you can what you cannot do is a mill is to do anything militarily because you know let me ask you this the fact is the conflict in eastern ukraine is mainly russian speaking and many of its residents now have russian passp

west will quickly forget the provocation from the ukrainian state when they forgot that it was saakashvili who started that christina just on the 7th of august 1st 2008 it was state esseily who bombarded seen violet only lead to russian question vote but you know that the western public is just fed part of the story that's the usual tactic you know they got the beginning or they cut the hand you know they they feed the public the boss that is most sure that that is in the interest of. all that all training but i know you and they and they just forget the boat the rest in type and spend a radio that may have dodged it all so i go on in that in the american spectator recently which basically reminded people that you know that new cold when they make a mess in the ukraine by william smith he just reminded people though although the american spectator they did was the us who helped the cool impulse falls in 14 which actually just thought of the whole the whole tragedy of that and that article mentioned for the 1st time i think in the in 7 years that it was victoria nuland who basically a point

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in a region of south ossetia and then the georgia decided we will try to liberate the president saakashvili said that region and russia of course was nearby was ready in a standby motos and then the invasion was legitimized so to say yes and this is this is what russia maybe would like to see in ukraine as well russia would like to see ukraine make a mistake and maybe let itself be provoked by by the fighting of the recent weeks and this is this is probably the biggest danger and the biggest challenge for the ukrainian government but i don't see any proof or any any evidence that ukraine might do that because if you if you take a c.n.n. camera team with you you're just trying to show to the world you're trying to use the media ukrainian president is a media medium and he's a media and he used to be a comedian he used to be a television star so that's what he does and what he can what he cannot do is a mill is to do anything terribly is you know let me ask you this the fact is the conflict in eastern ukraine is mainly russian speaking and many of its residents now have russian passports. rus

of south ossetia and then the georgia decided we will try to liberate as they say the president saakashvili said that region and russia of course was nearby was ready in a standby motos and then the invasion was legitimized so to say yes and this is this is what russia maybe would like to see in ukraine as well russia would like to see ukraine make a mistake and maybe let itself be provoked by by the fighting of the recent weeks and this is this is probably the biggest danger and the biggest challenge for the ukrainian government but i don't see any proof or any any evidence that ukraine might do that because if you if you take a c.n.n. camera team with you you're just trying to show to the world you're trying to use the media ukrainian president is a media medium and he's a media and he used to be a comedian he used to be a television star so that's what he does and what he can what he cannot do is a mill is to do anything militarily because you know let me ask you this the fact is the conflict in eastern ukraine is mainly russian speaking and many of its residents now have russian passpor

have this guy's alinsky and it looks like it's playing out the same way they know how it ended for saakashvili and georgia are we seeing a repeat here i mean where is the learning curve it's terrifying go ahead ok i actually think have learned from history but in a very diabolical sense i think that there is a lot of thinking in the american ministration now very dangerously thinks that if all russia can watch a defensive intervention in our protection of its own interests that that might kind of trap russia meyer or a catalyze a whole new set of scenarios of more financial sanctions and so on and so forth now of course this would be a ukraine sacrifice and nobody wants to see that russia definitely want to do anything like that unless it's an absolute promise to do so but i almost think that's kind of the line of thinking kind of what act more the. ascent of 19 eighties they want to intervention now i wonder whether or not they still think that's a day after russia proved. it will defend its interests and might explain the recent scandal in the czech republic which is nothing more than a spec

gross miscalculation on the part of ukraine one that's similar to the one that georgian president saakashvili made back in 2008 when he initiated of military operations and so those asia under the belief that the united states would would have his back russia responded militarily and. crushed the georgian military and embarrass them. that's that's the shade of ukraine if they if they seek to move forward there's simply no way the ukrainian military could carry out large scale offensive operations of. the kind necessary to liberate. the territories that are currently under control of you know the russian. the russian populations in ukraine not only that they would not survive a russian military counterattack the russians are the only military in europe that's carried out of course sized combined arms exercises there replicate the reality of modern land warfare nato doesn't do these exercises to notion that nato would somehow be able to mobilize and deploy a militarily viable force in support of ukraine is a joke it just isn't going to happen nato knows this but the united states of houses and

structural problems right now i mean if i'm just kind of mystified i guess it's kind of like the saakashvili you know phenomenon you know that he believes all these really wonderful stories and the little trinkets they put in front of him but it didn't it didn't solve any of george's problems either i just again that's why i asked of these people ideologues of the opportunists how would you describe them go ahead well the basic problem for the political elites in here is because it doesn't run it's to revive the economy after all it is the whole dependent on the rest of it and by the way also on facebook as john's art so also we're also. and so you have a situation that will be move the citizens which were whole series or most improvement typical of your life improvement in the getting rid of corruption once all getting little siphoning the money out into our bank accounts that you get a real guards and all are being put on the back and as you say this is not just the cranes trying to president george or it's a soviet republic that's seen just particular in the e.u. now so wait a minute do w

of south ossetia and then the georgia decided we will try to liberate as they say the president saakashvili said that region and russia of course was nearby was ready in a standby motos and then the invasion was legitimized so to say yes and this is this is what russia maybe would like to see in ukraine as well russia would like to see ukraine make a mistake and maybe let itself be provoked by by the fighting of the recent weeks and this is this is probably the biggest danger and the biggest challenge.