we had an activist investor, who said if-- at the same time, saatchi takes over as c.e.o., and people want to give the company a fresh look which is a great thing. it's a great thing. one of the advantages of new oons and i actually do think at some point in time, for any organization, being fresh and having people give a fresh look and think about things and a new c.e.o. was a great chance to do that. i actually think it's right. >> rose: people say -- in terms of the management class-- you come in and you have about 10 years. and you should, you know, bring somebody else? else. >> i had 34. i had 34, and it was great for me, charlie. >> rose: it sure as hell was. >> actually, for anybody who assesses businesses by the numbers it was great for people who own our stock. >would. >> rose: would you rather microsoft's hand, google's hand, or amion's. >> definitely not amazon's? if you're-- again, it depends what your time frame is. if your time frame is one year, i'd probably take apple because they have the most earnings. if your time frame is 30 years, then i'd probably take microsoft