. >> so, sabrina as e-mack and rich suggested there are things to be done to make government more efficienthrase, government efficiency, it's an oxymoron, all you have to do is cut the size of government. >> if john were here i'm on his side. i love the idea of making the government a bit more innovative, but the fact is that government is not the private sector, it does not have a bottom line, it does not have competitors, it cannot be steamlined the way that private industry can. a far better approach, bull up the forbes top 100 companies most innovative, i looked at them this morning, lots of great ones out there. we don't need to grow government in order to learn that. david: just look at the numbers. we can quantify it, goa tried to, 137 billion dollars the waste and fraud in 2015, the most recent figures we could get. that's a lot of money. >> i know how to reduce waste. we should have kushner look at an american innovative, eliminate green energy subsidy. david: that's a good idea. rich, what you found out or what the investigators looking into this peter thiel deal found out and sai