steve forbes, rick unger, mike, bill baldwin, sabrina schaefer, hn tandy. $2 trillion out of a $3.5 trillionyou avoid dealing with it? >>ventually you will have deal with it.

steve forbes, rick unger, mike, bill baldwin, sabrina schaefer, hn tandy. $2 trillion out of a $3.5 trillionget. more than the majority. how do you avoid dealing with it? >>ventually you will have deal with it. won't be done now, simply because there is not a mandate to do it. you set the stage for it; such as, having accounts for younger people in social security, change the delivery of healthcare, do it in a positive way. you set the ground work. you won't make headway with the congress. shoot for 2014 and 2016. >> rick, should entitlements be off the table entirely? >> i don't think they should i'm not one of those liberals. i would love to see the focus shift to where they are look at entitlements in terms of cleaning it up. it should be a constant reform all the time. weed out the people who may take advantage, so we havehe money for the people who legitimately need the help. >> let's talk about people taking advantage. federal disability programs arjust totally out of control. we have all kind of abuse and fraud. 25of the cases are called, "inappropriately dcide" isn't that a place to

steve forbes, rick unger, mike, bill baldwin, sabrina schaefer, john tandy. $2 trillion out of a $3.5n budget. more than th majority. how do you avoid dealing with it? >> eventually you will have to deal with it. iton