go in focus to find out with elizabeth macdonald, rich, sabrina schaffer in new york along with michael ozanian and rick unger. sabrina a game changer in changing the law. >> absolutely. one of the big challenges building a coalition against obamacare, hard to move. >> man:. everybody heard the arguments about rising costs, lower care and harder to keep your doctor. heard them so many times it doesn't work anymore. injaect new message into the conversation, talk about how especially this stupid, how stupid the american people are, were fools, this is apt to have a big change in voter preferences. >> rick, the message is deception. deception was used to sell the bill. by the way, even before wep got the gruber tapes, we have this poll showing that most americans do think there was misrepresentation, in selling obamacare? >> yeah. the message that gruber is saying is indeed deception. i'm not going to sit here and tell you that i agree with his message, but i'm not going to argue and defend him in any way, shape or form, and be honest. i could take apart everything he said and show where