here is thrash it out, really manager larry mcdonald, and independent women's forum, sabrina shafer, why not hold the government to a apple-like standard. >> in government there is no market, in private sector there is one metric that matters, that is the bottom line, but public, there are so many different variables that go into decision making. so it is much harder to hold the government accountable. neil: you know, larry, i'm not asking for a high benchmark, i would love to see it, but, we're grateful if we're not wasting as much money as we thought, if the numbers are not as awful as we feared, what happened ? >> we're leaving one thing out of the equation. it is risk. look at federal reserve, federal reserve itself is taking on 3 trillion-dollars of balance sheet risk, about 500 million more in last couple weeks with a new measure they took, there is no exit strategy, they have not delivered enough jobs, and they have taken $3 trillion worth of risk, without really getting us jobs and the risk reward, which is poor. neil: what is interesting about that argument, we're like buyin