. >> sreenivasan: for more, we are joined now via skype from ukraine by sabrina tavernise of the new york times. is a also, the evidence that secretary kerry is pointing, is this the same as what the ukrainian intelligence officials have been talking about? >> it appears to be the same evidence we have been hearing from the ukrainians there has been a lot of, you know, youtube clips, there have been photographs, there have been a number of things that the americans and ukrainians point to assort of evidence that this -- of who actually shot this thing down. >> so there are also lots of people interested in the black box, who has it now, the black box flight recorders, where does it go? >> so, yes, there has been a lot of discussion about the black box. i mean, honestly, the scene of the crash is, at this point, kind of an incredible place, it is very chaotic, it has sort of different groups of volunteers and kind of motley local citizens and essentially they have no -- they don't have enough manpower or expertise or people to sort of do it, so it has been very slow and quite incompet

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how many is unclear but quite a number. >> woodruff: sabrina tavernise, reporting from donetsk.nk you very much. >> you're welcome. >> woodruff: next tonight, a fresh perspective on current news. jeffrey brown talks with comedian john oliver. >> if we let cable companies offer two speeds of service, there won't be usain bolt and usain bolt on a motorbike, there will be usain bolt-ed to an anchor! >> brown: the highly divisive debate over who controls internet speed and access, so- called "net neutrality," is hardly standard comic fare. >> the point is that the internet in its current state is not broken and the fcc is currently taking steps to "fix that." >> brown: but it's just the kind of policy and political subject that john oliver tackles, often in surprising depth, on his new hbo comedy program, "last week tonight." >> we need you to channel that anger. >> brown: his admonition to viewers to write to the f.c.c. even briefly shut down the agency's comments section of the website. born in a suburb of birmingham, england, oliver studied english and joined a comedy troupe at c

that happens will you have sustained quiet for a much longer time period krz we continue with sabrina tavernise>> you felt like these people were so close to being alive, you know, that these people had, you know, you saw their little water bottles that the plane had given them and the plane blanks

new york times reporter sabrina tavernise is there. >> there were bodies strewn everywhere in the field. you know, personal possessions, passports, bicycles. it was horrible. >> reporter: late in the day ukrainian rescue teams told nbc news russian-backed separatists ordered them out of the crash scene for tonight. and european observers reported shots fired by rebels. the separatists are thought to have already recovered the plane's black boxes though it's not known what they've done with them. now, a single ntsb investigator and two fbi agents are headed to kiev to assist. should an international team of investigators be allowed in. >> what the ntsb investigators come up with isn't going to be the most relevant piece. far more important is the intelligence piece. what we see from overhead imagery and the like about where this missile came from and who fired it. >> reporter: malaysia flight 17 was flying along designated flight path l-980, a sort of highway in the sky used by airlines flying between europe and asia. even as war raged below, ukraine kept the air space open though some a

"new york times" reporting sabrina tavernise. >> there were bodies strewn everywhere in the field and, you know, personal possessions, passports, bicycles. it was horrible. >> reporter: late in the day ukrainian rescue teams told news russian-backed separatists ordered them out of the crash scene and there were shots fired by rebels. the separatists are thought to have already recovered the plane's black boxes. now a single ntsb investigator and two fbi agents are headed to kiev to assist. should a team be allowed in. >> what the investigators come up with isn't going to be the most relevant piece. for more important is the intelligence piece. what we see about where this missile came from and who fired it. >> reporter: malaysia flight 17 a highway in the sky used byñr airlines flying between europe and asia. even as war raged below, ukraine kept the air space open though some airlines did avoid the area. the faa banned american flights of flying over the region. after the crash they included eastern ukraine. at the crash site, trying to recover the victims under constant threat. >> m