host: sacha haworth of the tech oversight project.

host: sacha haworth joining us for this conversation.arl's a boat with no choice -- carl szabo with no choice. let's hear from mike. he is in new jersey. caller: kudos to c-span. you have an excellent conversation with two knowledgeable people. they both make very good points. i will talk to carl. he said something about the sears and roebuck catalog. you're pretty young. i do not think you ever ordered out of the sears and roebuck catalog. you said something that lawmakers make laws. the white house does not in the executive branch does not, which is true. in reality lobbyists like yourself make the laws. you push them through the legislatures, the legislatures with their staffs try signing it into law. that is true. the other side is i do agree with you that you have to be careful. there is a fine line between controlling information and letting information out. the government has to be careful and not overreach itself. thank you for taking my call it is good to hear from you. guest: thank you. as a professor i often find myself talkin

host: sacha haworth of the tech oversight project. once it comes into our space, we can do what we want to fit. u.s. officials are worried that if it's shot down over land, it can be a problem, and the president said it is a gigantic what happened. it happened in a rural area, and it came down to be shot down. they made a wise decision to shoot it down over water. they recovered both of the parts, they are good. that was a recent interview. you can see the photos already. we've shown you some of that with the down balloon itself. also, the reclamation efforts with that. it was on a hearing featuring defense officials talking about the response and hearing from legislators about the concerns they had. one of the legislators questioned the defense official over strategies to deal with potential incursions -- incursions. here is a portion. >> this was a robust budget last cycle. i don't remember hearing about anything that dealt with balloons in the budget. do we have a plan on how we are going to deal with this the next time it happens?