>> she got a job working in the sacristy, and slowly the capuchins founded a third order section, a third order group that she belongs to. >> let's define that as third order for one of these religious congregations is associated late people or no? >> yes, the franciscans have three orders. first order is the friars.ndart layers, and then francis realized towards the end of his were called to be franciscan who were not free to become either a religious, because they have families. >> they still couldn't live in community because they had another altercation? >> yes, they had other obligations. the lay group was forms of these people can come together, share their faith, they could promote works together, but they still had their first commitment to their families. >> the founding of the first order was just after 1200, am i wrong? >> right, 1222 i believe was the first rule. >> it seems confusing to the layman who looks into it, many different congregations. the original is the order of friars minor, then the pork lemons, did they have an official name? >> i think it is just the pork laye