it's true that actually the word "holy" was actually used by president sadat in the knesset in his visit -- his visit to israel. he said the land of sinai is unnegotiable. that means it's holy land and you don't. now, you see, for example, in the hamas interview, they declare israel -- the whole palestine namely a religious endowment. religious endowment is not for goes. -- negotiation. you can make truth. you can make temporary ceasefire. you can make all sorts of deals in time but in principle you cannot. and both sides, the israelis and not necessarily the religious. it's a fusion of nationalism and religion here, both sides, i think, create and change the nature of the conflict from a nationalistic conflict that still could be resolved in a religious conflict that would be impossible to resolve unless the two sides are too tired like after 300 years of religious wars in europe. then you just give up because you are too tired. but as long as you can keep the struggle, you keep. and i think there was a major change. it was a continuous change, but i think there was a constant change fr