we don't need it we have this very we did it we don't really need the our it isn't a better if saddam were in power of the it's our debts and our tired no one here in the us dollar that i do for you i would like to go to the high road gentlemen please yeah ok that was the state. building would be a sort of throw in the greater middle east when we see it i want to talk about is there how does this affect the democratic process that is awakening in the arab world which i think i hope all of us are support ok and and i would say the libyans deserve just as much but i did sammy made a very interesting point is this nation building as a nation destroying go ahead a dollar ok let's let's talk about libya ok the spirit that animated the uprising in libya is the same spirit in egypt however in the same spirit in tunis the differences there ben ali. rep repressive busy was corrupt as he was is not mac and and will barak repressive busy years and corrupt as he was was not nag but in the case of what started as a justice it's not and also whereas peaceful demonstrations were then fired upon merc

do you think you helped get saddam hussein out of iraq? >> rafid alwan: yes. exactly. >> simon: and here he is, the iraqi informer who became known as curve ball. his real name is rafid alwan, a 44-year-old chemical engineer who says he had a mission. so you left iraq with the idea of destroying saddam hussein? >> alwan: uh... exactly. >> simon: we sat down with curve ball in europe. we agreed not to reveal exactly where. what made him decide to talk to us? we still don't know. but he was unapologetic, hard to pin down, and really nervous... >> alwan: one minute, please. >> simon: ...not sure how much he could reveal about how he fooled western intelligence services into believing that iraq had a secret program to brew mobile biological weapons. >> alwan: i plan for this for long time. >> simon: he came up with the plan after he escaped from iraq in the late 1990s. but curiously, instead of taking his story to a western embassy, which is what defectors usually do, he just drifted from one country to another. you went to jordan, libya. >> alwan: yes. >> simon:

contributing troops it was alliance with the arabs to save kuwait you know to liberate kuwait from saddam hussein from rule into iraq from iraq under saddam hussein in one thousand nine hundred one all right and that had a broad arab police the arab states were backing us now we in it went directly in invading iraq after nine eleven we had the whole arab population the arab street as you would want to say the arab public opinion was against us and not a single arab state sit alongside with us and yet we intervened there now here you have libya on the other hand we are arab sentiment i would say just judging from egypt and the fact that i see libyan flags being sold on the streets now as the by libyan flags i mean the old libyan flag which has been resurrected by the insurgents as a symbol against the flag that gadhafi introduced and i see them being sold everywhere now in cairo it's funny because i've saved myself a nice to see it get a libyan flag and i have a feeling that the insurgents have massive support especially among the young

hussein's iraq ever commissioned by saddam hussein. it is said to be modeled on his own hand. you might find it surprising that iraq posing new government has begun quietly renovating the thing. how -- iraq's new government has begun quietly renovating the thing. >> it works of art, or a monument to one man's vanity? -- iraqis are divided. >> we do not want to always to remember that. we want a new beginning for iraqis. by these things we will glorify him and he does not deserve to be a hero. >> saddam certainly use the monument as a prop for his personality cult. the giant soared commemorate iraq pose a war with iran, but -- the giant sword commemorate iraq's war with iran. the systematic attempt by iraq pose the new rulers to eradicate his monumental legacy. thesehdad,'s city hall, will celebrate our ancient culture, and not war. some of his colleagues, though, think the campaign has gone too far. the deputy culture minister lost two brothers to sit down's purges, but he -- to saddam's purges, but he wants the swords to stay. >> i th

they would rather keep saddam down than have the iraqi people can throw it on science friday nonsense i covered it was before he was in new zealand arguing you were all give us a reason why we didn't eliminate the reason why we did a lemonade saddam hussein in gulf war one is because we made a deal with our coalition partners in order to maintain our coalition that we would remove if he would loosen down from kuwait that would be the end of our mission is helicopter gunships you have you have yes air cover over iraq there was that no fly zone in iraq but you are allowed to use there's alec up got a gun ship to gun the people down peter i don't hear rocky and i know what i'm saying is about ok abdallah in cairo yesterday in cairo go ahead before we go to the break away and sort of the fact ok ok two two things first iraq ninety one i covered it all right i covered first the n.b.c. and then for the saudis and the uprising in kurdistan and then the last and in the . south and he is the shiite uprising the south was not anti american just the opposite right when george bush he was on the

you if you were your son no he wanted me like we didn't eliminate the reason why we did a lemonade saddam hussein in gulf war one is because we made a deal with our coalition partners in order to maintain our cold notion that we would remove a could do was remove saddam from kuwait i would be the end of our nation is helicopter gunships you have you have air cover over iraq there was that no fly zone in iraq but you are allowed to use this helicopter gunships to go knocking people down peter i don't hear aki and i said i know what i'm saying is about ok. go ahead before we go to the brain go ahead thirty alter the fact ok two two things first iraq ninety one i covered it all right i covered first the n.b.c. and then for the saudis and the uprising in kurdistan the last and in this. south it is the shiite uprising the south was not anti american just the opposite right when george bush out heels on the radio and said rise up the south in the north rose up the trouble is that we americans be trained that read that uprising and we're paying the price for that and then why do we betray it i d

can it cash out of saddam i had a terrible headache. and i had a fever as well. and they sent me to see the doctor who recommended can the therapy and. i feel it was all caused by pollution from the war. cattle in fiji my illness was caused by the was here and explosions. loads of people have the same illness said it did not if there was it we shall prevail and they should lose. now the doctors are carefully reviewing all the data so that they can publish the studies in prestigious scientific journals and this will validate their findings. we face a lot of problems and obstacles in doing our research and i think nobody wants us to prove but these are due to depleted uranium otherwise we will ask for compensation for compensation for twenty five million people in iraq. as a specialist i can't say what the increase in cancer rate is why. i believe cancer cases have risen. we need precise data. for a period of years before we can reach any scientific conclusions and instead to zero . in iraq there have been many toxic agents such as smoke from the oil wells that wer

you counted wrong turns out so did saddam hussein yes two hours ago allied air forces again an attack on military targets in iraq in kuwait for his successor president clinton the target was slobodan milosevic today our armed forces joined our nato allies in airstrikes against saddam forces responsible for the brutality and cause of the president george w. bush said it was weapons of mass destruction that threaten the world and invaded iraq in what was supposed to be weak and limited campaign on my orders coalition forces have begun striking selected targets some military importance to undermine saddam hussein's ability to wage war most thought it would end there with president obama running on an anti-war platform he has spent most of his presidency trying to end the wars started by his predecessor until now the u.n. security council passed a strong resolution but demands and so the violence against its. it authorized the use of force and the timeline of recent history there have been some glaring similarities when it comes to the use of force by u.s. president none have been in resp

has remained safe so far but should we fear any global consequences are here's the head of iraq's saddam commission and while sharing an analysis of japan's nuclear accident alexander luck should. nuclear power plants bring cheap energy but they also bring risks in japan a powerful tsunami caused by a massive earthquake hit a nuclear power plant and caused several reactors to shut down part of the radioactive fuel broke free and it's causing fears of contamination in japan and in neighboring countries europe and russia have ordered a stress test of all nuclear power stations many europeans are so scared they want all nuclear stations in the region shut but experts in russia say we have to work on reactor security rather than shut them down and draw back. thank you very much for being with us today hello first of all your commission as we just mentioned is called the commission and monitoring and analysis of the situation around this for pushing a paraplegic what's what's the main main mission main take main task of your of this group you having just said the main task of this commission

saddam hussein, when it was over, said he had fought the mother of all battles. george herbert walker bush was gone, margaret thatcher of the uk was gone and that he was still in office. and the implication of that was that he had defeated the united states. we're involved in libya. if gadhafi stays on, he will think he fought the mother of all battles. against the united states. it will be damaging to us. just as our demeanor in somalia was damaging. the situation in lebanon was damaging. that will embolden others of his ilk. >> speaking of emboldening, gadhafi -- it's not new that he's a bad guy and that libya was involved in the pan am bombing. and yet the administration that you were a member of, after you left, took gadhafi off the list. opened relations with gadhafi. in hindsight, was that a mistake by president bush? >> i think the logic behind president bush's decision there was that after saddam hussein was deposed, and pulled out of that spider hole and executed by the iraqi people, gadhafi looked at that. gadhafi decided he would not be the next saddam

my orders coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance undermine saddam hussein's ability to wage war most thought it would end there with president obama running on an anti-war platform he has spent most of his presidency trying to end the wars started by his predecessor until now the un security council passed a strong resolution but the man's and to the violence against its. it authorize the use of force in the timeline of recent history there have been some glaring similarities when it comes to the use of force by u.s. president none have been in response to a military attack or even threat of an attack on u.s. soil and none have ever been formally declared wars we had to protect thousands of innocent people in kosovo from a mounting military offensive we are determined to knock out saddam hussein's nuclear bomb potential we will also destroy his chemical weapons facilities self defense is not only our right it is our duty the definition of duty often changing the results eerily parallel thank you god bless you. god. thank you very much christine r.t.

and no one will deny that saddam hussein was a bad actor absolutely put it was in the middle east as it is tribal and in the tribal tradition the leader runs the show and everybody follows and saddam was that guy he was a bad guy you know absolutely no question about it but the iraqis that i worked with when i was over here by a laura life if you stayed out of trouble you had a half decent life you really did after our invasion of zero three all that went out the window and what's what if we do and we invaded that country with no plan for after the invasion and then as again at the very beginning of this i said that democracy was an afterthought world we're there we might as well make it a democracy which is fine but can it be to sustain and no form of government can be sustained if the people don't have the basic services that government is supposed to provide and when i was there we were trying to form the new iraqi government but after a road to include contracting for goods and services the iraqi government can't do it because of not only of corruption but we're used to having th

hussein but you're not in favor of removing gadhafi because saddam hussein was a legitimate threat to the united states or to the united states yes never threat to united he had no weapons of mass destruction never even threatened to attack the united states nothing to do he was attacking united states every day come a no fly zone without the blocking the united nations in american jets and an american troops were there maybe he was not attacking the united states at all c'mon you know i was a junior is i would like you to ask the the fighter pilots in question they were being shot at while we live in a fire and my lesson something i always i.d.r. a day i go for it is i think that is saying what was in our building area near beforehand and it was saddam hussein a threat to the united states before we went to war what again there was a global intelligence community that the turned out to be inaccurate i mean the great shadow is the answer what world the fact the matter is i wouldn't be there six years later but i wonder if you are never heard they told us then they said five days five

in and six years in respectively in these two places over there why are you in favor of removing saddam hussein. but you're not in favor of removing gadhafi because saddam hussein was a legitimate threat to the united states radley united states us never having a weapons of mass destruction never even threatened to attack. and nothing to do he was attacking you know it's a cover no fly zones in the north as working the united the machine of american jets american jets were there then he was not attacking the united states at all alkaline. i would argue to the fighter pilots in question that we're being shot at we're going to fire my lesson from going to go from zero to being before and i think that is thing always in our building they're in there beforehand it was saddam hussein a threat to the united states before we went to war well again there was a global intelligence a plan to do that and turned out to be inaccurate i mean the british know is the answer what what what world were perfect the matters i wouldn't be there six years later one liners are several a day told us then they s

hussein but you're not in favor of removing gadhafi because saddam hussein was a legitimate threat to the united states senate from united states us never threat to united he was having no weapons of mass destruction never even threatened to attack the united states nothing to do he was attacking united states every day come a no fly zone didn't the asking the united nations in american jets and there he jets were there maybe he was not attacking the united states at all come on you know i was a huge relief i was like you to pass the the fighter pilots in question they were being shot at why he doesn't fire my lesson so i'm going to go on my theory being before i think that is a mosaic arbitrary there beforehand it was saddam hussein a threat to the united states before we went to war well again there was a global intelligence and when you do that that turned out to be inaccurate i mean the great shadow is the answer what world are the facts the matter is i wouldn't be there six years later but i was there to do whatever they told us then they said five days five weeks five months tha

he comes from the door for region from saddam. he worked in a libyan factory for seven years. -- he comes from our for -- darfur in sudan. his cell phone was confiscated. >> they screened at us. they beat us. i don't know why. we could hardly take any of our belongings with us and they were shooting. >> refugees keep arriving at the camp. they are happy to have escaped libya safely. they said they did not just fear the fighting but also the rebels who threaten to refugees they thought were gaddafi mercenaries. >> i am not a mercenary and i've never fought for gaddafi. we were only there to earn money. >> more than 9000 are living in a camp that sprang up in a matter of days. this house is mostly sub-saharan africans and bangladeshis. the number of refugees has been growing. in contrast to the early chaotic days, the camp now appears well- organized. 40 people have been passed for trash collection alone. -- been tasked for trash collection alone. finally, i enough toilets. while hes preparing for further expansion, he wants to avoi

hussein the two not in favor of removing gadhafi because saddam hussein was a legitimate threat to the united states of the united states yes never threat to united he had no weapons of mass destruction never even threatened to attack the united states nothing to do he was attacking united states every day come a no fly zone or provoking the united nations are going to american jets and there are contracts where there maybe he was not. attacking the united states that all outcome or no i would be doing really i would like you to ask the the fighter pilots in question they were being shot at why doesn't the fire my lesson somebody told me the area being built for it and i think that is a measure of our getting there in there before hand it was saddam hussein a threat to the united states before we went to war well again there was a global intelligence a plan to do that that turned out to be inaccurate i mean the british had no is the answer what what what probably the fact of the matter is i wouldn't be there six years later so i wonder if you are never what they told us then they said

operation desert storm finally this is where anglo american troops began the invasion to overthrow saddam hussein. there are no official statistics on the amount of dehumanization used in iraq but estimates are between four hundred and four thousand tons and now long after the two thousand and three bombings geiger counters still detect radioactivity from spent the human ition in areas outside the city. according to u.n. recommendations and u.s. military regulations vehicles hit by do you mean a shins should have been removed from the battlefield and the whole area decontaminated this was not done. through or is in charge of the environment to pervan in basra and has produced a map of radioactive contamination and has discovered that radiation levels are quite high. our instruments detect high levels of background radiation and we take samples for analysis by a gamma ray spectrograph. this is bad for a university hospital and used to be called the saturn hussein hospital and recently it's been renamed sutter hospital after a local shiite leader. those in charge of the cancer you have rais

i think we did see in iraq that it was very difficult with saddam hussein still there. kurdistan is the most prosperous part -- >> if you want 12 years of no flies on -- >> i would rather have 12 years of a no-fly zone than 12 years of war -- >> i will ask it again. how long? what are the goals? what is the cost? do we have an exit strategy? >> no, no, no, and now. gaddafi is a dangerous guy. i fear that if we box him in, he will find a way to hurt us in the united states, domtic terrorism. >> pan am 103. >> he has a track record. >> is that enough to nail the guy right there? >> there are good questions to ask and iraq. boehner asked good questions. remember we had the lovely little or in print that? inwalovely little war grenada? >> that came on the heels of the explosion of the marine barracks in beirut. >> that was a harmless, pretend a little show war. you show your strength every once in awhile, but there was no cost. but you don't do the big ones unless you are serious. >> that is the real issue, is obama is serious? look, i had all kinds of questions about getti

don saddam was sent into the bomb crater on sunday afternoon forty eight hours after the blast to help a forensic chemist team take samples. but then saddam we spotted a strange metal fragment crumpled and twisted by the power of the explosion. what was unusual was the damage it was so ripped interests that i've been to scenes in organized crime where people were killed with car bombs and completely pull car up but i've never seen the undercarriage along without it to pieces as this i was looking at there so i knew that this had to be right next to or possibly the vehicle that would bring such a large vehicle bomb in here and i took my clothes off and as i ran my thumb in so i could feel it like an encryption it was a star shape letters letters numbers numbers numbers and then this ended in a starship and i knew that this was a confidential then number. confidential vehicle identification numbers are inscribed on different parts of the car by the manufacturer to help police identify stolen vehicles. at that point i made a decision and i said to the team we have to take this this is out

i think we did see in iraq that it was very difficult with saddam hussein still there. kurdistan is the most prosperous part -- >> if you want 12 years of no flies on -- >> i would rather have 12 years of a no-fly zone than 12 years of war -- >> i will ask it again. how long? what are the goals? what is the cost? do we have an exit strategy? >> no, no, no, and now. gaddafi is a dangerous guy. i fear that if we box him in, he will find a way to hurt us in the united states, domestic terrorism. >> pan am 103. >> he has a track record. >> is that enough to nail the guy right there? >> there are good questions to ask and iraq. boehner asked good questions. remember we had the lovely little or in print that? inwalovely little war grenada? >> that came on the heels of the explosion of the marine barracks in beirut. >> that was a harmless, pretend a little show war. you show your strength every once in awhile, but there was no cost. but you don't do the big ones unless you are serious. >> that is the real issue, is obama is serious? look, i had all kinds of questions about get

and the head of the real saddam commission and monitoring and their losses of japan's nuclear accident missile actually you just mentioned the safety regulations the safety requirements and atomic station i know they have all these be very high i know that i know that in russia at modern stations the safety requirements are even higher than in japan a very high tech nation so in russia they are higher but are you planning to to analyze the maybe to review them and to make them even higher i'm sure that i'm sure that that that people from the government are saying you should i are going to do that. first of all have to say this because health will probably do this first of all they have to analyze what is going on. what changed if before the accident they could answer some questions is improbable it can't happen now we don't have a right answer like that. we have to ask ourselves what happens if we can we have to imagine. very improbable situations and to give to ourselves first of all the answers present safe sustain us we have to improve when i read about what happened in fukushima i

reykjavik stands but it's not it's not washington it's the meeting in helsinki after the aggression of saddam hussein against kuwait that really stands out in my mind even more than malta the meeting between gorbachev and bush and helsinki even more than malted stands out as the of the cold war because that was the first time when it was not the dynamics of confrontation of our position of the two major powers but the dynamics of corp corporation in stopping the aggression that really worked in both countries showed that they are able to do it the able to take certain steps to make compromises to make that corporation work so to me that was an enormously important event. was there and i remember by the way that's not about gorbachev but i do remember during the meeting between shevardnadze and baker could see how the news came and how it was brought in by baker's associate about saddam hussein's invasion of kuwait and it was totally unexpected they did not spend much time discussing it but they agreed that they would be in contact and then those contacts led to that in my opinion truly should

shevardnadze baker could see how the news came and how it was brought in by baker's associate about saddam hussein's invasion of kuwait and it was totally unexpected they did not spend much time discussing it could be agreed that they would be in contact and then those contacts led to that in my opinion truly story and perhaps underestimated meeting between gorbachev and bush in helsinki where you'd said that you've been working with him for twenty seven years now how is time. fact that your perception turns eighteen now how would you assess his legacy to russia and the world well i think you know i was working with him in those years because i believed in what he was doing i was a foreign ministry official and had i for example wanted an appointment somber abroad it was you know past time it was past due services so i could have asked in eighty seven in eighty eight to be posted somewhere abroad i didn't do that i worked for him because i had a commitment for what he and his associates were doing to change the country and then of course it turned of that it changed not only our country ch