and saddam hussein didn't do the honorable thing.ded another country. >> from the day the invasion took place, secretary baker led the effort to build a global coalition. they had two expeditions overseas in which they were going around from capital to capital looking for support. >> the united nations security council has authorized the use of force against iraq. >> 14 votes in favor, none against, the resolution has been adopted. >> getting that massive alliance together truly goes down in history as one of the greatest accomplishments of any president to be able to get that many people on your side, believing in the same thing and ready to do the same thing. >> what gloria borger managed to do in iraq with the coalition is to create the beginnings of this new world order. who could have imagined the likes of the soviet union, china, and then the middle eastern states as well. standing up to one of their own. >> hundreds of demonstrators gathered to protest the inevitable. all but one, that is. >> whatever america goes to war, ther

there's saddam after he is captured by the special operators.and it's hope initially that this sort of decapitation strike is going to put a lid on the insurgency that is going to fall apart now that saddam is gone but unfortunately there are others who are ready and willing to take up the charge so we find ourselves in a prolonged insurgency campaign . and around this time we have general stanley mcchrystal coming in is as a jsoc commander, task force 714 is the task force he sets up in iraq. and at the time, it was not particularly active and there's still a lot of people who thought that elite forces should not be doing daily operations. they should focus only on the big targets. mcchrystal decided that we can't do that and saddam has shown it's not going to work so he looks for ways to ramp up their operations and does so very effectively. there are originally 10 operations per month and when he comes in 2004 goes up to 302,000 in 2006 and this is made possible by advances in communications technology. also by the fact the iraqis are using c

iran -- >> united states supported saddam.sk why did they -- >> why did they make that wrong decision. saddam finished his war against iran, he turned his weapons against the people who had financed him. at that time, we went to their aid. we supported kuwait, after it was invaded by saddam hussein. they did not learn the lesson. unfortunately they went to support the taliban. then they went to support al qaeda. then they supported al-nusra. >> the united states and you must share and common enemy in the taliban. in fact, the united states cleaned up the taliban after 9/11, as you know. >> yes, but i am talking about saudi arabia and united initially made them wrong choices too. we both opposed the taliban, whether we were on the same side or not, it is important. ♪ charlie: when you look today, what does iran want, what role does it want to play in the world? javad: iran is a country that despite able to survive pressure, despite a war, despite sanctions area we have been able to make progress. to make scientific achievements

those men are the men of saddam hussein, abu bakr al—baghdadi is just saddam hussein, abu bakr al—baghdadi al—baghdadi is just a front. those people can disappear underground and can be very, very dangerous. so we shouldn't actually celebrate the death of isis. we should prepare ourselves for the next age. it is interesting, because if you think about the history of all of this... isis descended from zarqawi's networks, which descended from a pledge of allegiance to osama bin laden. we can go back decades on this thing has metastasised through the muslim world. i agree entirely. i think that menu of choices you listed being open to isis, i've think they will take all of them. i think they will take all of them. i think as they are squeezed out of mosul... you have to understand, they are surrounded in the old city of mosul. you cannot really get a car down the street in many parts of these quarters. they still have tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of civilians under their control in this warren. the allied forces are trying to be as careful as they can be, but there is stil

his side. >> rose: the united states supported saddam. >> not only the united states supported saddam. everybody else. why did they make that wrong decision. in 1988, he turned his weapons against the people who had financed him. we supported kuwait after it was invaded by saddam hussein. but they didn't learn their lesson. unfortunately then they went and support the taliban. and then after that they went and support al-qaeda. and after they went and supported mosul. >> rose: the united states and you shared an opposition to the taliban, and in fact, the united states cleaned out the taliban after 9/11 as you know. >> yes. i'm talking about saudi arabia making the wrong choices. and the united states initially made some wrong choices too. >> rose: there was a time when you were on the same side in opposition to the taliban. >> we both opposed the taliban. whether we were on the same side or not it's for history to decide. >> rose: when you look today, what does iran want? what role does it want to play in the world. >> iran is a country that has been able to survive despite pressure,

after saddam invaded kuwait, the kurds rose up, the u.s. and u.k., to develop a no-fly zone to protect that area. and in that area, the kurds , they developed the institutions of state. they have their own security forces, the peshmerga. they almost pursue their own foreign policy. they have their own flag. they have all the symbols, if you like, of independence. but they also have their own problems. when they got that safe haven given to them, within two or three years, they were having an internal civil war, kurdish civil war. they have power struggles in their region. those power struggles have gotten more complex. you have the barzanis versus the p.u.k., and now we have the pkk also playing out in that area. you have a lot of internal kurdish competition. which spills over. david: right, but they would say whatever the internal problems of iraqi kurdistan, they want their own country. that this conglomeration that is raq that confuses sunni, shia, and kurdish places together has outlived its viability, and we should just -- the world s

responsibility but not a regret for removing saddam hussein.irjohn chilcot‘s unvarnished view. tony blair is always and ever an advocate. he makes the most persuasive case he can, not departing from the truth, but persuasion is everything. there is, i argued, the responsibility of the leading politician of a government, both to make the case for the policy decision taken but also to balance that with realism about risks, downsides, counter—arguments. if you act simply as a one—sided advocate, you risk losing that, and i think that risk became apparent. but you spent years studying this intelligence. yes. the way you put it in the report and what you just said suggests, as somebody who spent their life in government, in public service... yes. that you feel he manipulated the evidence to make his own case? again, i'm declining the word "manipulate", and using "as best he could" but it's only fair to him to say that on the very eve of the invasion, he asked the then chair of the joint intelligence committee, can you tell me beyond reasonable doubt

bush when saddam d gaddafi and saddam hussein and opened the middle east.he him and dick cheney lined the arkets with all the money they could scam out of this country, that is why the country almost the republican par do is all they want to steal from the poor and give to the rich and i'm getting pretty it is all red of it, i have to say. host: from "u.s.a. today," this soldier, there is a u.s. soldier been arrested in hawaii for possible ties looking isis, he was stationed in schofield barracks. accused of having ties to the islamic state, according to the f.b.i. f.b.i. official identify the ikaika erik kang. in as scheduled to appear court monday afternoon and criminal complaint fighted in swore allegiance to the islamic state, tried to rovide documents to the group known as isis and tried to provide training. texas, james up next, republican line. caller: yes, sir. seem erican people don't to understand about healthcare for employers prior to world war ii, no one got healthcare from their employers when the war the war department froze salaries, so employers giving out healthcare

if we are so afraid of iran than what we kill saddam hussein, thereby empowering iran?hy the same people who supported that stupid act now advocating for a war with iran? >> i personally don't know anybody who's advocating for a war i with iran. >> tucker: i do. i know a lot of people. >> you know different people than i do. i know people that think we have to eventually stand up to the iranians. thenk outright cowardice and shameful treatment for our sailors, for which john kerry thanked the iranians. the middle east is a very, very complex war. we refused to think clearly about it a and honestly about i. just as you pointed out, nonk americans have been killed in the united states by shia terrorists. our president just went to so saudi arabia and praised the saudis to the skies. our president seems determinedns to do anything he can with the russians and the russians hate -- vladimir putin hates us. he is malevolent and he is as close to pure evil as i can find. he's also brilliant.t. ii don't understand what any american would want an alliance with russia. we should

a soviet un yo that would participate in the coalition against saddam hussein. have happened if the united states had been a bully. george bush's patient diplomacy is what was needed to stabilize the world following the fall of the berlin wall. >> all right. thank you so much. thanks for that look back. of course, the "'90 airs tonight at 9:00 eastern time. >>> hello, again, thank you so much for being with me. we begin this hour with new retaliation from russia, russian state media says putin is demanding 755 u.s. diplomats and personnel leave russia by september 1st. this is in response to a russia sanctions bill president trump has yet to sign. north korea in that bill, that country is resmonponding with a firm action of justice against the u.s. this threat comes just two days after kim jong-un tested a ballistic missile that experts say could one day reach the west coast of the u.s. and other parts of the mainland. >> i'm convinced that north korea has never moved at the speed that this leader has. >> also early this morning, the u.s. military says it succes

in america's distant past but the year was two thousand and three and a strapping young lad named saddam hussein had really gotten our goat. following nine eleven hussein was discovered committing the unforgivable crime of ruling a country in the general vicinity of the country that actually birthed the hijackers who attacked us. plus he sat atop a lot of oil that he refused to just give us. and he dropped the petro dollar which is like our favorite kind of dollars. luckily his weapons of mass destruction program has seen here gave us an ironclad reason to invade he was preparing to kill oh no. many innocent people later after he had been toppled arrested a hanged and we had killed roughly a million innocent people we found his weapons program consisted of three guys with a slingshot. which might not sound bad but the sling shot could be retrofitted to launch stones the size of popeye us. in our defense after the million people were killed in new york times did issue a correction it read a correction over the past four years we reported that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction

else for this devastation actually on our way to mosul we went through the city of tax rate where saddam hussein was buried and we went to where he was buried in the to this area was destroyed as well by the iraqi people and iraq is basically i've been saying that all this devastation since the dawn hussein and up to now the united states is to blame more than anyone else because they supported saddam hussein they helped create that monster and that monster destroyed so much of iraq and then they also helped create isis when alongside the saudis and unfortunately the turkish government and the batteries they funded the extremist groups as we know from the defense intelligence agency document of two thousand and twelve and also from the wiki leaks documents from which shows that clinton hillary clinton knew that in two thousand and fourteen the saudis in the being isis so the iraqi people are very much aware of what's going on and they believe those who i've spoken to that forty years of devastation is more and more than anyone else. the united states is to blame alongside its regional al

york times did issue a correction it read a correction over the past four years we reported that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction and therefore the us needed to invade iraq their story their society topple their government and kill a lot of people please ignore that reporting. it didn't actually say that but it shows. the vietnam war started following the gulf of tonkin incident even the name it's a lie the gulf of tonkin incident is actually two incidents that were actually one incident which is actually only a half an incident. on august second nineteen sixty board the u.s.s. maddox exchanged gunfire with three north vietnamese torpedo boats the us claimed the vietnamese fired first but in fact the u.s.s. maddux fired the first shots then two days later to us you have spent four hours firing on various radar targets that were attacking them they sunk to torpedo boats which may not you know which move a sound like a wind right they sunk two boats but you have to take into account that those torpedo boats did not adhere to the traditional definition of existing. so it's ac

and for years saddam had american support. let him keep the lid on iraq's fractured melting pot. but that all ended when saddam invaded kuwait in 1990. the first president bush crushed his army. and the second drove him from power and occupied iraq. for the first time in decades, iraqis got to participate in a free election, and the shiites, who are the majority sect, one by a landslide. backed by the americans, the shiites were now in power for the first time in 1,400 years. the sunnis rose up, and the religious war that followed cost tens of thousands of iraqi lives and around 4,500 american ones. then the americans left. the shiites kept most government positions but lost control of large parts of the country to isis. now the americans are back and empowering a third sect -- the kurds, who have proven themselves to be our most reliable allies. but u.s. support means the kurds feel strong enough to make a land grab and hope to break away from the rest of iraq, potentially tearing apart the old colonially constructed and badl

responsibility, but not a regret for removing saddam hussein.emerged, sirjohn chilcot‘s view. tony blair is always an advocate. he makes the most persuasive case he can. not departing from the truth, but persuasion is everything. there is a responsibility on the leading politician of the government, both to make the case for the policy decision taken, but also to balance that with realism about risks, down sides, counter arguments. if that with realism about risks, down sides, counterarguments. if you that with realism about risks, down sides, counter arguments. if you act asa sides, counter arguments. if you act as a one—sided advocate you risk losing that. you spent years studying this intelligence. the way you put it in the report and what you put it in the report and what you have said suggests as somebody who spent their life in public services, that you feel he manipulated the evidence to make his own case. i'm declining the word manipulate and using as best he could. it is only fair to him to say that on the eve of the invasion, he asked

and for years saddam had american support.hington was happy to let him keep the lid on iraq's fractured melting pot. but that all ended when saddam invaded kuwait in 1990. the first president bush crushed his army. and the second drove him from power and occupied iraq. for the first time in decades, iraqis got to participate in a free election, and the shiites, who are the majority sect, one by a landslide. backed by the americans, the shiites were now in power for the first time in 1,400 years. the sunnis rose up, and the religious war that followed cost tens of thousands of iraqi lives and around 4,500 american ones. then the americans left. the shiites kept most government positions but lost control of large parts of the country to isis. now the americans are back and empowering a third sect -- the kurds, who have proven themselves to be our most reliable allies. but u.s. support means the kurds feel strong enough to make a land grab and hope to break away from the rest of iraq, potentially tearing apart the old colonially

happened afterwards and immediate afterhat of iraq we saw chaos and insurgency that is fueled by saddam hussein baath party and so special operations are called many to do man hunting and specifically to find and his sons they do eventually track down both of them here's sue dam after he's captured by the special operators and hoped initially that sort of decapitation strike is going to put a lid on the uncertainty that it is going to fall apart now that saddam is gone. but unfortunately there are others who are are ready and willing to take up the charge and so we then find ourselves in a prolonged incampaign and around this timing we have mcchrystal coming in as a jay saw commander, and task force 714 is the -- task purse set new iraq and at the time it was not a particularly active and there's still a lot of people that thought elite forces should not be daily operations and focus only on big target. mcchrystal decides that -- we can't do that. saddam shown that will not work so he -- looks for ways to ramp up their operation and does so effectively and only ten operation os per mont

that saddam hussein in iraq was by raw physical intimidation. it is hard for people to remember just how horrible it was. watched as that experiment unraveled. the title of your book is "the unraveling." maybe you can give us a few snapshots that maybe check or vision ofs marvelous intervention, post-1945 idea -- how that came undone as after.ch in 2003 and go to iraq outt of idealism. fear.t out of anger and we went based on faulty intelligence. put that in mind. this was not a humanitarian intervention. that is not how it started. in 2003 there was no agreement on what should be done after saddam has been got rid off. could it handed over to the united nations? could it hand over to the iraqis? taken verydecisions early on in the occupation were devastating. basically, the decisions to tosolve the civil service, dismiss all of the people in the security institutions led to the collapse of the states and any country in the world that survives those policies being implemented, furthermore, the nature of the he's settlement we put in place was no

caught up with the element that no look up in psalms florida moses and as he goes through not only saddam and the most. people who are physically strong enough. survive this journey should be congratulated at the finish line. in my opinion such a mission should be celebrated here you go with trophy a job and a happy life ever after. of all the migrants i've met along the way. is one of the few to have made it to the finish line. he now works in a paint shop in southern texas. but i have. done it all. and i have. no will he. said. i. see him but i hope. he. not to do that. but it. will. get in the. city where. if i want to treat his first american meal. in the parking lot. after lunchtime finally clear. but. in addition to the twenty seven million hispanic nationals there are eleven million latinos who do not have begin to us. throw them out of the country or what would happen. economic collapse. to prep the court. who will clean the hotel rooms. and who are screwed together. the girls get a little birdies. and that's where you ok what do you want. to thank. the old guys love the old. man

and the planning and preparation for the country after saddam hussein was ‘wholly inadequate.‘ in responseinterview with the bbc a spokesman for mr blair highlighted that the report showed there were no lies and no deceit — and he took responsibility for criticism of how he made decisions. sirjohn chilcot spoke exclusively to the bbc‘s political editor laura kuenssberg. do you believe that tony blair was as straight where the politicians who dealt with you as straight with you as they should have been? the adopted different approaches and i have two name names because these are public sessions. tony blair is always and have an advocate, he makes the most persuasive case you can, not departing from the truth but persuasion is everything. advocacy for my position. do you believe that tony blair was as straight with you and the public as he ought to have been? can i slightly reword that to say i think any prime minister taking a country into war has got to be straight with the nation and carry it, so far as possible, with him or her. i don‘t believe that was the case in the iraq instance. do

a lot of us concluded if saddam was hiding, he must have something to hide. that turned out not to be true. i think that is probably on us. in terms of conflict, i would be happy to see president trump quickly think through all his options and recognize he does not have a good military option in north korea now. so he is trying the approach of trying to put pressure on other countries, including his new xi, in president china. i think we also need a more flexible negotiating strategy. we cannot afford a war there. we have to do what we can to avoid that. host: good morning on the independent line. caller: your guest is presenting a false narrative. show called "cross talk." we spent billions to overthrow syria.n "rt" is a questionable news show. i have done that show several times. the other guests they typically have on and sometimes even the background information they provide is skewed or flat out wrong. i think you are right we have spent billions in syria trying to unseat assad. many hundreds of millions. but we did not spend billions causing a revolutio

to say we are better than 75% we should pay that so every company i saddam the board that i have researched had the peer group the 50th or 75th or 90th percentile so that's rather a benchmark and that translates it 15 million though i am not paid 50 millions because americans believe it pay for performance that is the bedrock of co pay so i get to negotiate my bonus targets with the committee that is three year for people that set the compensation. i am the cl i have all of the information i know what is doable and what is not. the live people have no clue so i get to negotiate a targets and ranges if i hit my targets and will make more but pay for performance is the more the ceo does the more he should get paid so i negotiate the easy target and surpass that by a to a then the said a 15 i get 30 million. now here is the key. that 30 million the cpac in to peer group pool of all my peers so they get raises. so the next year might peer group is higher paid so it is a mathematical certainty it is a one-way ratchet that is why co pay 1980 has increased tenfold. 1,000 percent at the same time t

ies has an amazing ability to regenerate itself, many of its commanders where saddam's henchman, thenint ies years ago when it took over module and then syria will start there is a real sense that these people have just melted into the background will stop the thousands of the people who have been killed in mozilla are foreign fighters. there is a real says that the locals have managed to disappear and have been sleeper cells and they launch attacks, up 1500 attacks on freed cities in iraq and syria with the last year. is is not dead and gone, it is very worrying, they have created £1 billion worth of damage, 1 million people have been displaced, and is are still there. thousands of people of civilians are missing. some of those by coalition raids as well. 750 targets hit by the raf, second only to the united states, and in the telegraph it says this ends the largest urban battles in the second world war. as james was saying, i think many people will say this is not the end, this is the end of the hideousness bought missoula for the moment. also, this is mozilla, there are many other

some of the ayaz commanders came from saddam hussein's kabbalah henchmen.y went up aid and reappeared in iis. 300 to hades have been killed they are foreign fighters. and they will disappear and reappear in some other place. 1500 attacks have been mounted on freed areas of iraq and syria in the last year. these people are not going away. they are extremist who will do anything to achieve their aims. they do not wear uniforms. they do not fight... we should point out that they are celebrations because the people there have been living under this, under is for three months but living with bombs and fighting for nine months. —— living under is for three years. the final months were horrible and close... the desolation we have seen in images has been staggering. it was completely wiped out. and can you imagine how that you would be if that was your city? the city that you love, turned into that. all the people you know who have died, who have had hideous situations with the so—called islamic state. these militants still do have a handful of pounds in some stret

the sunnis once in the minority ruling under saddam hussein. they find themselves marginalized, extremists, feeling empathy toward isis. getting a foothold, and the shia who dominate the government and military now. they have to heal somehow. but it's important not to lose sight of this moment. it is important for iraq, for its sacrifice, for what it's done to make the world potentially safer, as well, from isis and iraqi prime minister al abadi. certainly here to be here, that is not missed. back to you. >> wow. three years of occupation of that city. just an amazing, amazing move now. >> yeah, just not uniting the groups but how you rebuild mosul. you talk about billions of dollars just for infrastructure alone. it is a pile of rubble. a great accomplishment. >>> up next, president trump's son admitting he met with the russian lawyer with ties to the kremlin. does this meeting really rise to the level of collusion? we'll discuss next. it's a powero know where who you are and where you come from. i didn't know a lot about my personal family hi

by won the cold war and was dealing with regional problems such as saddam hussein since 1989 but now who want to challenge that system and to some degree are cooperating with the regional actors such as north korea and iran. the whole complex of threats taken together is quite formidable. you are saying that you would link the different things, the north korea situation, thejostling between the big powers, these are all linked in your view? not a conspiracy against the west but that people are organising with a mind to weakening the west? there is no overall battleplan that beijing and moscow have agreed on, they have a common ally of interest in undercutting the american security system because it stands in the way of their alternative system which you people in europe understand from the 19th century, it is great powers, expanding their influence until they run into another great power. that is what led to the first world war and the second world war. we have tried over the past 70 years defied a different way forward and they are challenging that and even though they do not coordi

they ran the country under saddam hussein, but then he falls and the shia majority took over.he government and military were on separate sides of the front line, these ethnic groups, during the fight against isis. their suspicion of each other has never been higher, but they have to bridge the divide to get reconstruction and social healing on track to some degree. that is the biggest task. the fight against isis has done nothing but increase the sectarian hatred in the country. i think the fear now is the speed of reconstruction and growth of trust has to occur at a rate that has not really been seen in the past 15 years of turmoil, since saddam hussein fell. that is a steep task, not steeper than the bloodshed and horror of kicking isis out militarily, but one that is possibly more vital if we are not to see in the future some kind of reincarnation of isis. remember, they were a reincarnation of al qaeda. what is next depends on how fast society charlie: i know it is can heal. charlie: i know it is very late. thank you for staying up for us. nick: thank you, charlie. charlie

charlie: "in the iraq case we hussein'sted saddam capabilities.n the north korean case, one official noted the speed of this program have been consistently underestimated much as it was with the soviet union 70 years ago and china more than 50 years ago." underestimate. david: we are all captivated by the last mistake we made in life. there last big mistake was, saddam hussein said he had missiles. they reached that conclusion in part because they made great advances before the first persian gulf war. in part because every previous mistake that the u.s. intelligence agencies have made from world war ii forward have been to underestimate how close a country was to getting a nuclear capability. harry truman had a memo on his desk the weekend that the soviets conducted their first nuclear test in 1949 saying don't worry, we still have time on this. we underestimated the chinese in the 1960's, the indians in the 1970's and the pakistanis in the 1980's. for long time in the intelligence agencies, the theory was, if you don't be more aggressive and say

. >> in his career he has been deployed 4 times, gone undercover, he is sitting on stain saddam hussein's throne. he is married, he is an attorney. and volunteers as u.s. service organization, the list goes on. >> he is an everything man. >> out of all of the jobs, i said what is most difficult. >> what did he say. >> being a parent. >> changing and tha challenging. >> his youngest son's midel name is danger. i laughed at that. >> like "austin powers." >> safe to say, hatchet throwing went in his direction, if you get a bullseye you can ring the bell. nice job. >> he stopped ringing the bell. i said he is being polite. no, it goes to his training. >> any minute you can quit, you walk over to a bell, ring it 3 times, right after get a bullseye i rang to twice. quitting is contagious we do not quit. >> you don't feel bad for me, never mind. >> i forget he was not here. >> that is june rogers, she said her son christian is a victim of new jersey's bail reform laws, this system has let criminals hardened criminals in some cases out on the streets. >> when he was arrested in my kitchen, the of

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bush, but when he just thought that saddam hussein might have weapons of mass destruction, he rallieded to at least. we are in a situation where somebody who -- listen, on saddam hussein's worst day, he could be the psychiatrist for kim jong-un. we're talking about john podesta this summer? it's nuts. >> but, van, that is the genius of donald trump. he's not talking about john podesta. his critics are. what he's talking about is selling patriot missiles to poland, nato putting in more money in their defense budget. he dropped 59 tomahawk missiles in syria on russian backed troops. >> listen, when you are in your little bathtub with your rubber ducky and telling yourself these stories, that's wonderful. but the rest of the country is looking at -- >> speaking of pulling a debate to the high ground. >> the rest of the country is looking at what they're actually seeing, which is somebody who one he is given a script and something to say and do, he apparently can do a decent job. but the minute he runs to the rest room or closet and could get his phone out, he starts doing nutty job. and

s role in involvement in the iraq war this was a report that among many other things said that saddam hussein wasn't really a threat to the u.k. it's found that to see the least questionable evidence was used when it came to the issue of weapons of mass destruction as well as seeing that alternative peaceful methods were not exhausted before the war kick started let's take a listen to the house of commons on september twenty fourth two thousand and two mr blair presented iraq's past current and future capabilities as evidence of the security civility of the potential threat from iraq. the judgments about iraq's capabilities in that statement and in the dossier published the same. we're presented with a certainty that was not justified. well lo despite chilcote's findings and this latest case we do know of course that for now tony blair is not going to be headed to court right this minute despite the massive death toll that this war brought with it despite the consequences it had for the region and endless calls from relatives of iraq war victims to see him be brought to justice. but o

has to occur at a rate that has not really been seen before in the past 15 years of turmoil since saddam hussein fell here in and the internal conflict really picked up. that is a steep task indeed. not steeper than the blood shed and horror frankly of kicking isis out militarily but one possibly more vital if we are not to see in the future some sort of reincarnation of isis. remember they were a reincarnation you might argue of al-qaeda in iraq. what next really depends on how fast society can heal. >> rose: i know it is very late there, thank you so much for staying up for us. >> thanks, charlie. >> rose: back in a moment. stay with us. >> rose: we continue our conversation on the retaking of mosul and the battle against isis, joining me from washington david ignatius, foreign affairs columnist for "the washington post" and anthony cordesman, the early a burk chair in strategy at the center for strategic and international studies. i'm pleased to have both of them on this program. now let me begin with you and quote john mccain who said this is the end of the beginning, rather than the

a lot of us concluded that if saddam was hiding so much, he must have something to hide. that turned out not to be true. i think that is partly on us. in terms of all these conflicts and crises -- let me go back to north korea -- i have been happy to see president trump quickly think through his options and recognize he does not have a good military option in north korea now. he is trying be approach of trying to put pressure on other countries, including his new friend president xi jinping in china to turn up the economic heat. it is the only viable way forward. a more we also need flexible negotiating strategy, because we cannot afford a war there. we have to do whatever we can to avoid that. patrick joining us from omaha, nebraska, independent line caller:. i want to say i feel this guy is presenting a false narrative. i watch rt a lot read they have a show called "cross talk." they bring up the point that we spend billions in ukraine to overthrow the government and spend billions to overthrow assad in syria. europeans are paying for the sanctions, not americans. rtst: