from rule into iraq from iraq under saddam hussein in one thousand nine hundred one all right and that had a broad arab police the arab states were backing us now we in it went directly in invading iraq after nine eleven we had the whole arab population the arab street as you would want to say the arab public opinion was against us and not a single arab state sit alongside with us and yet we intervened there now here you have libya on the other hand we are arab sentiment i would say just judging from egypt and the fact that i see libyan flags being sold on the streets now as the by libyan flags i mean the old libyan flag which has been resurrected by the insurgents as a symbol against the flag that gadhafi introduced and i see them being sold everywhere now in cairo it's funny because i've saved myself a nice to see it get a libyan flag and i have a feeling that the insurgents have massive support especially among the young

do you think you helped get saddam hussein out of iraq? >> rafid alwan: yes. exactly. >> simon: and here he is, the iraqi informer who became known as curve ball. his real name is rafid alwan, a 44-year-old chemical engineer who says he had a mission. so you left iraq with the idea of destroying saddam hussein? >> alwan: uh... exactly. >> simon: we sat down with curve ball in europe. we agreed not to reveal exactly where. what made him decide to talk to us? we still don't know. but he was unapologetic, hard to pin down, and really nervous... >> alwan: one minute, please. >> simon: ...not sure how much he could reveal about how he fooled western intelligence services into believing that iraq had a secret program to brew mobile biological weapons. >> alwan: i plan for this for long time. >> simon: he came up with the plan after he escaped from iraq in the late 1990s. but curiously, instead of taking his story to a western embassy, which is what defectors usually do, he just drifted from one country to another. you went to jordan, libya. >> alwan: yes. >> simon:

iraq ever commissioned by saddam hussein. it is said to be modeled on his own hand. you might find it surprising that iraq posing new government has begun quietly renovating the thing. how -- iraq's new government has begun quietly renovating the thing. >> it works of art, or a monument to one man's vanity? -- iraqis are divided. >> we do not want to always to remember that. we want a new beginning for iraqis. by these things we will glorify him and he does not deserve to be a hero. >> saddam certainly use the monument as a prop for his personality cult. the giant soared commemorate iraq pose a war with iran, but -- the giant sword commemorate iraq's war with iran. the systematic attempt by iraq pose the new rulers to eradicate his monumental legacy. thesehdad,'s city hall, will celebrate our ancient culture, and not war. some of his colleagues, though, think the campaign has gone too far. the deputy culture minister lost two brothers to sit down's purges, but he -- to saddam's purges, but he wants the swords to stay. >> i th

innocent people in kosovo from a mounting military offensive we are determined to knock out saddam hussein's nuclear bomb potential we will also destroy his chemical weapons facilities self defense is not only our right it is our duty the definition of duty often changing the results eerily parallel thank you god bless you. god. thank you very much christine r.t. . u.s. congressman dennis kucinich it's time for washington to think of diplomatic methods to ease tensions in the muslim world rather than cultivate conflict. we are in a fourth war here a fourth priest got a compact plus iraq and afghanistan. we do these wars and the united states does not have unlimited power we should be trying to find a way to effect. with the muslim community worldwide which means getting out of afghanistan out of iraq out of. away from the explained current and pakistan doesn't mean ceding to terrorism and work with the world community and this is a massive intervention already in the name of a no fly zone which isn't like telling people you just can't park in this space it's really a massive attack on the de

coalition forces have begun striking selected targets some military importance to undermine saddam hussein's ability to wage war most thought it would end there with president obama running on an anti-war platform he has spent most of his presidency trying to end the wars started by his predecessor until now the u.n. security council passed a strong resolution that demands and to the violence against citizens. it authorizes the use of force in the timeline of recent history there have been some glaring similarities when it comes to the use of force by u.s. presidents none have been in response to a military attack or even threat of an attack on u.s. soil none have ever been formally declared wars we had to protect thousands of innocent people in kosovo from a melting military offensive we are determined to knock out saddam hussein's nuclear bomb potential we will also destroy his chemical weapons facilities self defense is not only our right it is our duty the definition of duty often changing the result eerily parallel thank you god bless you. god. thank you very much christine for r. t. .

innocent people in kosovo from a mounting military offensive we are determined to knock out saddam hussein's nuclear bomb potential we will also destroy his chemical weapons facilities so this is not only our right it is our duty the definition of duty often changing the result. parallel thank you god bless you. god. thank you very much christine for r t. well russia house ruled out participating in the coalition operation in libya saying it's not producing the expected results prime minister putin agreed the protection of libyan civilians is paramount since be achieved at a cost to innocent lives. there's a civil war going on in libya the proposal of a no fly zone was aimed at preventing khadafi from firing at his opponents and so protect civilians such a decision applied to a sovereign state is a difficult one but the aim was well intentioned but what are we seeing now that it is drugs on the entire territory of the country how can it be aiming to protect civilians such means are choosing the civilian death toll actually rises. the u.s. defense secretary was in moscow this week to try and

innocent people in kosovo from a mounting military offensive we are determined to knock out saddam hussein's nuclear bomb potential we will also destroy his chemical weapons facilities self defense is not only our right it is our duty the definition of duty often changing the result eerily parallel thank you god bless you. god. thank you very much christine for our tea. well president medvedev says the u.n. back to military intervention is a direct consequence of the violence carried out by libya's leader moammar gadhafi against his own people but he criticized the airstrikes saying the no fly zone should be used only to protect civilians and restore peace. everything that's happening in libya is a result of the shameful behavior of its government and the crimes against their own people we shouldn't forget everything else is just a consequence of that we supported one of the un security council resolutions and allowed the other resolution to go through this was done consciously to prevent the escalation of violence would still be events that followed showed that any decisions of this kind sh

innocent people in kosovo from a mounting military offensive we are determined to knock out saddam hussein's nuclear bomb potential we will also destroy his chemical weapons facilities self defense is not only our right it is our duty the definition of duty often changing the result eerily parallel thank you god bless you. thank you very much christine. our team. still ahead an r.t.s. striking hard in libya american and allied forces pushed to quote liberate civilians but is this really a humanitarian intervention or the opening up the floodgates to yet another american war. plus while the united nations calls for protection of human rights in libya what about the rights of an imprisoned whistleblower right here at home after next see how far protesters went this weekend to plait private first class bradley manning the dramatic arrest i want to go marine base coming up next. a charmer over here broadcasting live from washington d.c. coming up today on the big picture. so the subsidy it's the. fees so what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to break th

you counted wrong turns out so did saddam hussein yes two hours ago allied air forces again an attack on military targets in iraq in kuwait for his successor president clinton the target was slobodan milosevic today our armed forces joined our nato allies in airstrikes against saddam forces responsible for the brutality and cause of the president george w. bush said it was weapons of mass destruction that threaten the world and invaded iraq in what was supposed to be weak and limited campaign on my orders coalition forces have begun striking selected targets some military importance to undermine saddam hussein's ability to wage war most thought it would end there with president obama running on an anti-war platform he has spent most of his presidency trying to end the wars started by his predecessor until now the u.n. security council passed a strong resolution but demands and so the violence against its. it authorized the use of force and the timeline of recent history there have been some glaring similarities when it comes to the use of force by u.s. president none have been in resp

but you're not in favor of removing gadhafi because saddam hussein was a legitimate threat to the united states or to the united states yes never threat to united he had no weapons of mass destruction never even threatened to attack the united states nothing to do he was attacking united states every day come a no fly zone without the blocking the united nations in american jets and an american troops were there maybe he was not attacking the united states at all c'mon you know i was a junior is i would like you to ask the the fighter pilots in question they were being shot at while we live in a fire and my lesson something i always i.d.r. a day i go for it is i think that is saying what was in our building area near beforehand and it was saddam hussein a threat to the united states before we went to war what again there was a global intelligence community that the turned out to be inaccurate i mean the great shadow is the answer what world the fact the matter is i wouldn't be there six years later but i wonder if you are never heard they told us then they said five days five weeks five

but you're not in favor of removing gadhafi because saddam hussein was a legitimate threat to the united states radley united states us never having a weapons of mass destruction never even threatened to attack. and nothing to do he was attacking you know it's a cover no fly zones in the north as working the united the machine of american jets american jets were there then he was not attacking the united states at all alkaline. i would argue to the fighter pilots in question that we're being shot at we're going to fire my lesson from going to go from zero to being before and i think that is thing always in our building they're in there beforehand it was saddam hussein a threat to the united states before we went to war well again there was a global intelligence a plan to do that and turned out to be inaccurate i mean the british know is the answer what what what world were perfect the matters i wouldn't be there six years later one liners are several a day told us then they said five days a week five months there would be the next release of. a lot of people are worried about the situati

but you're not in favor of removing gadhafi because saddam hussein was a legitimate threat to the united states senate from united states us never threat to united he was having no weapons of mass destruction never even threatened to attack the united states nothing to do he was attacking united states every day come a no fly zone didn't the asking the united nations in american jets and there he jets were there maybe he was not attacking the united states at all come on you know i was a huge relief i was like you to pass the the fighter pilots in question they were being shot at why he doesn't fire my lesson so i'm going to go on my theory being before i think that is a mosaic arbitrary there beforehand it was saddam hussein a threat to the united states before we went to war well again there was a global intelligence and when you do that that turned out to be inaccurate i mean the great shadow is the answer what world are the facts the matter is i wouldn't be there six years later but i was there to do whatever they told us then they said five days five weeks five months that would be

the two not in favor of removing gadhafi because saddam hussein was a legitimate threat to the united states of the united states yes never threat to united he had no weapons of mass destruction never even threatened to attack the united states nothing to do he was attacking united states every day come a no fly zone or provoking the united nations are going to american jets and there are contracts where there maybe he was not. attacking the united states that all outcome or no i would be doing really i would like you to ask the the fighter pilots in question they were being shot at why doesn't the fire my lesson somebody told me the area being built for it and i think that is a measure of our getting there in there before hand it was saddam hussein a threat to the united states before we went to war well again there was a global intelligence a plan to do that that turned out to be inaccurate i mean the british had no is the answer what what what probably the fact of the matter is i wouldn't be there six years later so i wonder if you are never what they told us then they said five da

saddam hussein, when it was over, said he had fought the mother of all battles. george herbert walker bush was gone, margaret thatcher of the uk was gone and that he was still in office. and the implication of that was that he had defeated the united states. we're involved in libya. if gadhafi stays on, he will think he fought the mother of all battles. against the united states. it will be damaging to us. just as our demeanor in somalia was damaging. the situation in lebanon was damaging. that will embolden others of his ilk. >> speaking of emboldening, gadhafi -- it's not new that he's a bad guy and that libya was involved in the pan am bombing. and yet the administration that you were a member of, after you left, took gadhafi off the list. opened relations with gadhafi. in hindsight, was that a mistake by president bush? >> i think the logic behind president bush's decision there was that after saddam hussein was deposed, and pulled out of that spider hole and executed by the iraqi people, gadhafi looked at that. gadhafi decided he would not be the next saddam

when saddam hussein was still in power then the accusations were labeled propaganda but now many particularly patients are convinced the deal is responsible. to natasha out of the saga i had a terrible headache. and i had a fever as well to join in and they sent me to see the doctor who recommended can the therapy and. i feel it was all caused by pollution from the war the s.p.l. cattle if it's my illness was caused by the was here and explosions. loads of people have the same illness said it but if it was it we should prevail and they should lose. now the doctors are carefully reviewing all the data so that they can publish the studies in prestigious scientific journals this will validate their findings. we face a lot of problems and obstacles in doing our research and i think nobody wants us to prove but these concerns are due to depleted uranium otherwise for compensation for compensation for twenty five million people in iraq. as a specialist i can't say what the increase in cancer rate is why. i believe cancer cases have risen. we need precise data. for a period of years before we can re

i think we did see in iraq that it was very difficult with saddam hussein still there. kurdistan is the most prosperous part -- >> if you want 12 years of no flies on -- >> i would rather have 12 years of a no-fly zone than 12 years of war -- >> i will ask it again. how long? what are the goals? what is the cost? do we have an exit strategy? >> no, no, no, and now. gaddafi is a dangerous guy. i fear that if we box him in, he will find a way to hurt us in the united states, domtic terrorism. >> pan am 103. >> he has a track record. >> is that enough to nail the guy right there? >> there are good questions to ask and iraq. boehner asked good questions. remember we had the lovely little or in print that? inwalovely little war grenada? >> that came on the heels of the explosion of the marine barracks in beirut. >> that was a harmless, pretend a little show war. you show your strength every once in awhile, but there was no cost. but you don't do the big ones unless you are serious. >> that is the real issue, is obama is serious? look, i had all kinds of questions about getti

i think we did see in iraq that it was very difficult with saddam hussein still there. kurdistan is the most prosperous part -- >> if you want 12 years of no flies on -- >> i would rather have 12 years of a no-fly zone than 12 years of war -- >> i will ask it again. how long? what are the goals? what is the cost? do we have an exit strategy? >> no, no, no, and now. gaddafi is a dangerous guy. i fear that if we box him in, he will find a way to hurt us in the united states, domestic terrorism. >> pan am 103. >> he has a track record. >> is that enough to nail the guy right there? >> there are good questions to ask and iraq. boehner asked good questions. remember we had the lovely little or in print that? inwalovely little war grenada? >> that came on the heels of the explosion of the marine barracks in beirut. >> that was a harmless, pretend a little show war. you show your strength every once in awhile, but there was no cost. but you don't do the big ones unless you are serious. >> that is the real issue, is obama is serious? look, i had all kinds of questions about get

stands but it's not it's not washington it's the meeting in helsinki after the aggression of saddam hussein against kuwait that really stands out in my mind even more than malta the meeting between gorbachev and bush and helsinki even more than malted stands out as the of the cold war because that was the first time when it was not the dynamics of confrontation of our position of the two major powers but the dynamics of corp corporation in stopping the aggression that really worked in both countries showed that they are able to do it the able to take certain steps to make compromises to make that corporation work so to me that was an enormously important event. was there and i remember by the way that's not about gorbachev but i do remember during the meeting between shevardnadze and baker could see how the news came and how it was brought in by baker's associate about saddam hussein's invasion of kuwait and it was totally unexpected they did not spend much time discussing it but they agreed that they would be in contact and then those contacts led to that in my opinion truly should story p

and baker you could see how the news came and how it was brought in by baker's associate about saddam hussein's invasion of kuwait and it was totally unexpected they did not spend much time discussing it but they agreed that they would be in contact and then those contacts led to that in my opinion truly historic and perhaps under estimated meetings between gorbachev and bush in helsinki well you've said that you've been working with him for twenty seven years now how has term affected your perception of. asia now how would you assess his legacy to russia and the world. but well i think you know i was working with him in those years because i believed in what he was doing i was a foreign ministry official and had i for example wanted an appointment somewhere abroad it was you know past climate was past due services so i could've asked in eighty seven in eighty eight to be posted somewhere abroad i didn't do that i work for him because i had a commitment for what he and his associates were doing to change the country and then of course it turned out that it changed not only our country changed t

we took out saddam hussein and we spent $1 trillion when we were told it would be nothing. would give wolfowitz the robert mcnamara award. that made him head of the world bank. this is what declining powers do. it is not based on reality paria. that is what happened here. you have spent $1 trillion and you have spent $1 trillion and iraq willlebanon light, mr. malachi is no democrat. how much more evidence do we need a failure? these are facts. >> if somebody wants to read stuff you have written, where is the easiest place to go? >> you can go online go hitogle. i write regularly for the spectator in britain. i write back to everyone rights to made. >> we can find john hulsman in bavaria, soon to be married and he has been our guest for the last hour, thank you very much. >> it is my great pleasure. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] >> for a dvd copy of this program, called 1-877-662- +77726. for free transcripts or to give us your comments about this program, as a us atqanda.org. >> coming up, w