. >> here with me now is pastor rick warren, the founder of saddleback church, his wife, kay, the co-founder. this is their first interview since the tragic death of their son back in april. welcome to both of you. 92 thank you. >> my deepest condolences to the awful loss of your family. i remember that day. you're very famous and it flew around the internet and around the world. i felt a huge sense of sadness for you having interviewed you a few times. i can only begin to imagine what it was like for you two. how have you been coping? >> well, you know, elizabeth kubler ross did this thing called the four stages of death. i actually died. i actually think there's six. we've been watching ourselves go back and forth the first several months. the first stage is shock. for us, shock still happens. for at least the first month, i kept waiting for matthew to come in the door. when's my son going to walk in? i just couldn't believe it had happened it was so sudden. then you move from shock to sorrow, sadness and this profound sadness that comes into your life. then you move to what i call struggl

. >> here with me now is pastor rick warren, the founder of saddleback church, his wife, kay, the co-founder. this is their first interview since the tragic death of their son back in april. welcome to both of you. 92 thank you. >> my deepest condolences to the awful loss of your family. i remember that day. you're very famous and it flew around the internet and around the world. i felt a huge sense of sadness for you having interviewed you a few times. i can only begin to imagine what it was like for you two. ha how have you been coping? >> well, you know, elizabeth kubler ross did this thing called the four stages of death. i actually died. i actually think there's six. we've been watching ourselves go back and forth the first several months. the first stage is shock. for us, shock still happens. for at least the first month, i kept waiting for matthew to come in the door. when's my son going to walk in? i just couldn't believe it had happened it was so sudden. then you move from shock to sorrow, sadness and this profound sadness that comes into your life. then you move to what i call stru

that's the bigst day of the year for saddleback. i did a message on why you need hope. and each day of that week, i had a battle of hope. on monday, we announced i was starting a national radio program called daily hope. on tuesday i was going to write the first book "purpose driven life," it was going to be a four month sabbatical and the hope you need. on wednesday i atownsed a new series starting that weekend called struggling through your worst days. that weekend, i planned a message, i ended up having tom to preach it called what to do on the worst day of your life, not knowing that would be the worst day of my life. on the radio program that was airing nationally that was a week old, that day the message was called winning the battle for your mind. now, the irony with that with a son who lost hope, took his life and had struggled for 27 years with this battle in his mind, a tender heart, but a tortured mind. we just had this sense of forbodeing that day. >> okay. how had he been the night before? >> you know, he was, it was actually one of the best weeks in a long

the previous sunday was easter, the biggest day for saddleback and i preached 14 times and why you needed a message of hope. on each day i had a battle for hope. on each day of that week i had a battle of hope. on monday we announced i was starting a national radio program called daily hope and tuesday i announced i would write the first book since "purpose driven life" entitled "the hope you need" and the next day, a new series called "struggling through your worst days. in fact, that weekend i ended up having tom preach it, what to do on the worst day of your life, not even knowing that would be the worst day of my life. and then on the radio program that was airing nationally, it was a week old, it was called "winning the battle for your mind." now, the irony of that with a son who lost hope, took his life, and had struggled for 27 years with this battle, a tender hard but a tortured mind. we just had this sense of foreboding that day. >> kay, how had he been the night before? >> you know, he was -- it was actually one of the best weeks he'd had in a long time. >> it had been. >> we we

the sunday was easter, the biggest day for saddleback and i preached 14 times and why you needed a message of hope. on each day i had a battle for hope. on each day of that week i had a battle of hope. on monday we announced i was starting a national radio program called daily hope and tuesday i announced i would write the first book since "purpose driven life" entitled "the hope you need" and the next day, called "struggling through your worst days. in fact, that weekend i ended up having tom preach it, what to do on the worst day of your life, not even knowing that would be the worst day of my life. and then on the radio program that was airing a week old, it was called "winning the battle for your mind." now, the irony of that with a son who lost hope, took his life, and had struggled for 27 years, a tender hard but a tortured mind. we just had this sense of foreboding that day. >> how had he been the night before? >> you know, he was -- it was actually one of the best weeks he'd had in a long time. >> it had been. >> we weren't surprised matthew took his life because he had been strugg

the previous sunday was easter, the biggest day for saddleback and i preached 14 times and why you needed a message of hope. on each day i had a battle for hope. on each day of that week i had a battle of hope. on monday we announced i was starting a national radio program called daily hope and tuesday i announced i would write the first book since "purpose driven life" entitled "the hope you need" and the next day, a new series called "struggling through your worst days. in fact, that weekend i ended up having tom preach it, what to do on the worst day of your life, not even knowing that would be the worst day of my life. and then on the radio program that was airing nationally, it was a week old, it was called "winning the battle for your mind." now, the irony of that with a son who lost hope, took his life, and had struggled for 27 years with this battle, a tender hard but a tortured mind. we just had this sense of foreboding that day. >> kay, how had he been the night before? >> you know, he was -- it was actually one of the best weeks he'd had in a long time. >> it had been. >> we we