a secular sader. we have to have occasional -- we have -- our calendar is built on occasions for remembrance. we call them memorial day, flag day, constitution day, and july 4th and veterans day, and we're not using -- and presidents day as proper occasions to just come up with materials so that families -- >> there are too many sales out there. that's the problem. >> this can be fun, and it can be like little teams. the competition -- you know, competitions even, because kids like to compete, too, on knowing your constitution, knowing the founders, knowing politics. it can be fun like following sports teams. >> rose marie, fun? >> fun? well, what always strikes me is that most people know at least a little bit about the declaration of independence but very little substantively about the constitution. i said that's the sexy document. that has the grand, abstract principles and the constitution is the boring document because it's all about structures and processes and institutions. unfortunately what m