when i joined by the guardian's iran correspondent saeed kamali dechen thank you for joining us saeed so the u.s. says that these sanctions are aimed at the government and not the ukrainian people is it going to work this way i mean this sanctions let me be very clear the sanctions target everyone inside iran sanctions talk a townsend's of patients in need of lives that are not sins and as you found out yesterday or indeed there is no exception i mean of course sanctions are not directly targeted at medicine but in practice at least as we saw seven years ago five years ago as well they are going to be a huge obstacle to imports of sense and life makes sense lifesaving medicines to iran because basically it bears no banking relations between iranian balance outside iran i mean when i today when i'm talking to you there's not a single tear one european bank that is doing business with anyone with anywhere inside iran so if you're a pharmacist inside iran if you're a pharmaceutical company in need of those huge medicines that you need important medicines and you need you don't have any w