safiya: absolutely.know the algorithms are not just computer code that is encoded to generate the most engagement, which typically is correlated to the most inflammatory, racist, sexist, homophobic, vitriol. because that is incredibly profitable. we know the algorithms are certainly attuned so they can maximize public engagement and consumer engagement with different kinds of material. we also know that the human beings, the people who moderate content come are also training the algorithms. we know that there is a symbiotic relationship between what we engage with on these platforms, what moderators allowed to stand or take down, and how the machine learning algorithms work to accelerate what they learn from that process. emily: we are anticipating facebook might change its name later this week to emphasize this idea, the ambition to move into the meta-verse. what do you think about facebook sam version -- ambitions in the meta-verse? is that intriguing or terrifying? safiya: it is a terrible distraction