sage. not — with sage, and this is true for all sage, notjust true with sage, and this is true for alld, in this pandemic, as it happened, in this particular case, which, of course. — this particular case, which, of course, developed very substantially over the _ course, developed very substantially over the first 18 months of the pandemic, this is where we think the midpoint _ pandemic, this is where we think the midpoint of— pandemic, this is where we think the midpoint of national and indeed international science is. so it wasn't — international science is. so it wasn't the _ international science is. so it wasn't the job of sage to advocate for one _ wasn't the job of sage to advocate for one position or another, it was the job of— for one position or another, it was the job of sage to sense the midpoint and say to ministers, at this point— midpoint and say to ministers, at this point in— midpoint and say to ministers, at this point in time, here is the midpoint. _ this point in time, here is the midpoint, and also, at this point in time. _ midpoint, and also, at this point in time

sage — strategic aim is x, but the danger was, sage was not in a position to see what— was, sage wasing for sage for its position. _ was waiting for sage for its position. that potential circularity is something that i think bears some thought. _ thought. those communications thought. — those communications were you really government thinking back to individual members of sage were not necessarily recorded, they were perhaps given in verbal conversation, and secondly, it is apparent from the minutes, because there are no reference to sage's understanding of what the government is looking for for what it wants, as to what those needs are, so it does appearas to what those needs are, so it does appear as if the formal process for recording the range of debate did not adequately reflect what it was the government needed, and in its hour of crisis it's needed the assistance of sage? i think there are two answers to that. _ i think there are two answers to that. it — i think there are two answers to that. it is — i think there are two answers to that. it is a _ i think there are two answe

three, paragraph 28, sage says this, for the uk, sage agrees _ sage says this, for the uk, sage agreeschange in the approach _ would require a change in the approach of mps are appropriate. can you help _ approach of mps are appropriate. can you help as— approach of mps are appropriate. can you help as to why sage was still debating — you help as to why sage was still debating the appropriateness of the triggers— debating the appropriateness of the triggers as opposed to what change the uk _ triggers as opposed to what change the uk government was required in li-ht the uk government was required in light of— the uk government was required in light of triggers being activated which _ light of triggers being activated which of— light of triggers being activated which of course you agreed already they were? — which of course you agreed already the were? :, :, ~' which of course you agreed already the were? :, :, ~ :, which of course you agreed already they were?— they were? looking at those ones, sustained human-to-human - sustained human—to—human transmission outside china, that is a key

having asked sage for its view, however it was commissioned, sage j however it was commissioned, sagehat the government was in a general sense, i appreciate it's a general sense only, following the science, it is rather curious that by characterising this debate as a policy or political issue, sage�*s opinion was in principle simply rejected as being just too difficult? i simply re'ected as being 'ust too difficult? ., �* ~' simply re'ected as being 'ust too difficult? ., �* ~ . difficult? i don't think re'ected but i mini difficult? i don't think re'ected but i think by i difficult? i don't think re'ected but i think by that fl difficult? i don't think re'ected but i think by that stageh difficult? i don't think rejected but i think by that stage the i but i think by that stage the government had actually said, i think in a cabinet meeting in a discussion about two metres versus one metre distance in, etc, that, i think there was more recognition. of course, we were in much calmer waters by this stage, at least temporarily. there was a recognition by ministers that scientific expertis

there _ sage were asked at all about issue. there was— sage were asked at all about issue. can we look at _ made to change their advice. can we look at some — made to change their advice. can we look at some entries in your schedule _ look at some entries in your schedule please. first of all, page 56. schedule please. first of all, page 56 so _ schedule please. first of all, page 56 so here — schedule please. first of all, page 56. so here we have a comment that we have _ 56. so here we have a comment that we have been excluded from the pm's strategy— we have been excluded from the pm's strategy meeting. chris is sure that it is because the economic secretariat in the cabinet office want _ secretariat in the cabinet office want to — secretariat in the cabinet office want to be able to present things about— want to be able to present things about reopening without us contradicting them. page 94, please. due to _ contradicting them. page 94, please. due to metre rule meeting made it abundantly clear that no one in number— abundantly clear that no one in number ten abundantly

sage advice.age advice. i think the smo will always _ conveying sage advice. i think the smo will always be _ conveying sage advice. i think the smo will always be an _ conveying sage advice. i think the smo will always be an expert i conveying sage advice. i think the smo will always be an expert in i conveying sage advice. i think the i smo will always be an expert in this area and have around him or her a group of people who understand this, which is why the lead government department does have some importance to it. so i don't have concerns there. i think it is likely that the gsa wouldn't and that has advantages and disadvantages. what the gsa would need to do would be to make sure that they have the right advice around them, so they can undertake that function. but i suspect there would be more weight on the cmo's shoulders in that sort of situation and it may be that one of deputy kmos or the other people in that sphere would accept up as well. —— step up as well. i sphere would accept up a

sage noted — will have that up briefly. sage noted on — will have that up briefly.here was a sage meeting on the 24th a— 19. —— there was a sage meeting on the 24th. a systematic transmission cannot— the 24th. a systematic transmission cannot be _ the 24th. a systematic transmission cannot be ruled out, it was noted, and transmission from mildly symptomatic individuals is likely. insofar _ symptomatic individuals is likely. lnsofar as— symptomatic individuals is likely. insofar as sage was unable to rule out a _ insofar as sage was unable to rule out a cinematic transmission, but it is in existence was that ruled out? just to— is in existence was that ruled out? just to be — is in existence was that ruled out? just to be clear, asymptomatic transmission of the symptom of a cinematic— transmission of the symptom of a cinematic transmission is quite different— cinematic transmission is quite different on the issue of human—to—human transmission that we were debating earlier. yes, human-to-human transmission that we were debating earlier.— were debating earlier. yes, i

into sage, cobra and so on?rch. l have - and so on? it happened on the 13th, 14th, 15th of march. i have put - and so on? it happened on the 13th, 14th, 15th of march. i have put to i 14th, 15th of march. i have put to ou 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material— 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material from _ 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material from the _ 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material from the 12th - 14th, 15th of march. i have put to you material from the 12th of- 14th, 15th of march. i have put to - you material from the 12th of march, there _ you material from the 12th of march, there is— you material from the 12th of march, there is a _ you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate _ you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate at— you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate at kroger- you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate at kroger eight - you material from the 12th of march, there is a debate at kroger eight oni the

_ frequency as sage. what about spy the meetings? you _ frequency as sage.ut spy the meetings? you allude to i frequency as sage. what about spy the meetings? you allude to that l frequency as sage. what about spy | the meetings? you allude to that in your statement that i wasn't sure if that was regular. i your statement that i wasn't sure if that was regular.— that was regular. i believe i had a coule of that was regular. i believe i had a couple of meetings _ that was regular. i believe i had a couple of meetings with - that was regular. i believe i had a couple of meetings with james i that was regular. i believe i had a i couple of meetings with james rubin. they do not believe i have attended spy they do not believe i have attended spy b. is they do not believe i have attended s- b. , they do not believe i have attended 5. b, , ., they do not believe i have attended 5. b. , ., ., they do not believe i have attended 5. b. , ., they do not believe i have attended spy b. is it fair to say that around this period _ spy b. is it fair to say that around this

sage. need to be turned into action. that may then follow on to my next question, which is in effect the works that commissioned of sage. i take the answers you have already given about this. you have given a list of not all, but many of sage's commissioned pieces of work at page 180 and it is a to p of your statement. none of the list there is dedicated in its focus to the impacts of the covid pandemic upon disabled people. and we found no dedicated sage thing of that nature. we understand that sage supplies the advice it is asked to supply from hm government. but why no dedicated focus? is it simply that you weren't asked? ~ ., . ,, ., focus? is it simply that you weren't asked? ~ ., ., , ., asked? well, i will go back a bit to an answer that _ asked? well, i will go back a bit to an answer that professor _ asked? well, i will go back a bit to an answer that professor punty i asked? well, i will go back a bit to i an answer that professor punty gave. which is the science advice was around

theyj contributors to sage. they communicated _ contributors to sage. without sage, with professor sir chris— without sage, with professor sir chris whitty _ without sage, with professor sir chris whitty who _ without sage, with professor sir chris whitty who together- without sage, with professor sir chris whitty who together with l without sage, with professor sir. chris whitty who together with sir patrick _ chris whitty who together with sir patrick vallance _ chris whitty who together with sir patrick vallance spoke _ chris whitty who together with sir patrick vallance spoke to - chris whitty who together with sir patrick vallance spoke to you - chris whitty who together with sir patrick vallance spoke to you and | patrick vallance spoke to you and your officiats _ patrick vallance spoke to you and your officials daily. _ patrick vallance spoke to you and your officials daily. why - patrick vallance spoke to you and your officials daily.— your officials daily. why did you not know this? _ your officials daily. why did you not know this? i _ your of

and i'm not going to ask ou for of sage. and i'm not going to ask you for your _ of sage.k you for your reaction to _ of sage. and i'm not going to ask you for your reaction to that. it i of sage. and i'm not going to ask you for your reaction to that. it is| you for your reaction to that. it is absolutely self—evident that that was a disgraceful thing to occur. you must of thought, you must have wondered, though, during the course of this pandemic, to what extent yourself and your fellow scientists on sage were made, by virtue of your herculean contribution, belaying yourself open to future legal liability. yourself open to future legal liabili . , ., ~ liability. yes, and i think i was not, in liability. yes, and i think i was not. in my _ liability. yes, and i think i was not. in my own _ liability. yes, and i think i was not, in my own position i liability. yes, and i think i was not, in my own position of- liability. yes, and i think i was. not, in my own position of being a government employee, i was much less concerned but i have always been worried and i have been

china had failed _ sage came to the view that china had failed to— sage came to the view that chinat china had failed to contain coronavirus. - sage came to the view that china had failed to contain coronavirus. so, - failed to contain coronavirus. so, in the _ failed to contain coronavirus. so, in the context— failed to contain coronavirus. so, in the context of— failed to contain coronavirus. so, in the context of this _ failed to contain coronavirus. so, in the context of this debate, - failed to contain coronavirus. so, | in the context of this debate, and the two _ in the context of this debate, and the two scenarios, _ in the context of this debate, and the two scenarios, either- in the context of this debate, and the two scenarios, either they. the two scenarios, either they contain — the two scenarios, either they contain it— the two scenarios, either they contain it or— the two scenarios, either they contain it or they— the two scenarios, either they contain it or they don't, - the two scenarios, either they contain it or they don't, and l the two scenarios, either they con

_ sage based on these things. did i miss record? i _ sage based on these things. did i miss record?d on these things. did i miss record? i thought you said, the 6th of— miss record? i thought you said, the 6th of april— miss record? i thought you said, the 6th of april advice she received from _ 6th of april advice she received from your— 6th of april advice she received from your expert body was a disadvantage... outweigh, correct. have _ disadvantage... outweigh, correct. have i_ disadvantage... outweigh, correct. have i got — disadvantage... outweigh, correct. have i got it— disadvantage... outweigh, correct. have i got it right or wrong? you have not have i got it right or wrong? you have got it _ have i got it right or wrong? you have got it correct. _ have got it correct. you have had expert advice, disadvantages outweigh advantages. then on— disadvantages outweigh advantages. then on 8th of april, you reference what _ then on 8th of april, you reference what is _ then on 8th of april, you reference what is happening abroad. had anything — what is happening abroad. had anythin

take u . within his letter to, did sage take u- the within his letter to, did sage take up the welsh letter to, did sage take j up the welsh government offered within his letter to, did sage take i up the welsh government offered is to support the development of the evidence base?— to support the development of the evidence base? yes, we got a lot of very useful — evidence base? yes, we got a lot of very useful information _ evidence base? yes, we got a lot of very useful information fed - evidence base? yes, we got a lot of very useful information fed in i very useful information fed in through rob orford and the other member of the site from wales, there are references to useful information, and it was very helpful, because there were minor differences in policy between devolved administrations which did allow us to look at the effects. moving on to your role as the uk government's chief scientific adviser, what was the role, if any, of the chief scientific adviser is across the devolved administrations, including yourself, in the coordination of advice and policies across the four

sage.ations and bring the science to the cs0 and the cmo. bring the science to the c50 and the (mo. ., , , bring the science to the c50 and the cmo. regardless of their public prominence. — cmo. regardless of their public prominence, mr _ cmo. regardless of their public prominence, mr hancock, - cmo. regardless of their public prominence, mr hancock, the i cmo. regardless of their public- prominence, mr hancock, the position is that— prominence, mr hancock, the position is that sage _ prominence, mr hancock, the position is that sage was — prominence, mr hancock, the position is that sage was the _ prominence, mr hancock, the position is that sage was the sole _ prominence, mr hancock, the position is that sage was the sole body- is that sage was the sole body providing _ is that sage was the sole body providing science _ is that sage was the sole body providing science on— is that sage was the sole body providing science on the - providing science on the characteristics - providing science

but you gave advice within the confines of sage and your| within the confines of sage and your role,f sage and your role, on public health issues, and you expected the government to be able to— you expected the government to be able to respond efficiently, speedily. you have referred to the need _ speedily. you have referred to the need for— speedily. you have referred to the need for speed. it must have been apparent _ need for speed. it must have been apparent to you that the government encountered significant difficulties in being _ encountered significant difficulties in being able to reach collectively, through— in being able to reach collectively, through the prime minister or otherwise, decisions, that it was then— otherwise, decisions, that it was then that — otherwise, decisions, that it was then that they then stuck to and consistently abided by. this degree of oscillation and chaos is apparent?— of oscillation and chaos is apparent? of oscillation and chaos is anarent? . . �* , apparent? that is correct. but it is apparent? that is correct. but it is a matter of— apparent?

you are now attending regular sage meetings. right, isn't it, that the picture about how the virus was taking hold in the country was becoming clear during this period? in particular, it was the view of sage that sustained community transmission was present, and was hardening, during the latter half of february? i hardening, during the latter half of februa ? ., ., ~' hardening, during the latter half of februa ? ., ., ~ ., , february? i do not think that is true. tellers. _ february? i do not think that is true. tellers. in _ february? i do not think that is true. tellers. in the _ february? i do not think that is true. tellers. in the second - february? i do not think that is | true. tellers. in the second half february? i do not think that is i true. tellers. in the second half of march, true. tellers. in the second half of march. spi-m _ true. tellers. in the second half of march, spi-m say _ true. tellers. in the second half of march, spi-m say it _ true. tellers. in the second half of march, spi-m say it is _ true. tellers

is this for a sage or a... 2 it is dated the | sage or a... ?th -- 24th — information correct as of friday the 20th -- 24th of information correct as of friday the 20th —— 24th ofjanuary. but the date _ 20th —— 24th ofjanuary. but the date given — 20th —— 24th ofjanuary. but the date given the on page four is a reference — date given the on page four is a reference of the 20th ofjanuary. it may have — reference of the 20th ofjanuary. it may have been produced for the 20th~~ — may have been produced for the 20th. .. , , ., , may have been produced for the 20th... , , ., , ., ., 20th. .. yes, this would be not a sage document. _ 20th. .. yes, this would be not a sage document. it _ 20th. .. yes, this would be not a sage document. it says, - 20th. .. yes, this would be not a sage document. it says, with i 20th. .. yes, this would be not a i sage document. it says, with human team in transmission,... _ sage document. it says, with human team in transmission,... is _ sage document. it says, with human team in transmission,... is that i team in transm

these are the things— debated in sage. these are the things i— debated in sage. technical importance. i'm not disarareein. :, h , ., , disagreeing. that's very fair but in terms of care _ disagreeing. that's very fair but in terms of care homes _ disagreeing. that's very fair but in terms of care homes and - disagreeing. that's very fair but in | terms of care homes and hospitals, theissue terms of care homes and hospitals, the issue of asymptomatic transmission should have been an issue of getting on with the test, scaling up the test. tn a issue of getting on with the test, scaling up the test.— issue of getting on with the test, scaling up the test. in a sense, my views are all _ scaling up the test. in a sense, my views are all of _ scaling up the test. in a sense, my views are all of those _ scaling up the test. in a sense, my views are all of those happened i views are all of those happened anyway — views are all of those happened an a . :, , views are all of those happened an a. :, y :, , views are all of those happened an a. ~ anyway. finally on this poin

sage, not nervtag about sage the officiat— work.age the official advisory _ work. sage, not nervtag about sage the official advisory body— work. sage, not nervtag about sage the official advisory body for- the official advisory body for emergencies, _ the official advisory body for emergencies, which - the official advisory body for emergencies, which was - the official advisory body forl emergencies, which was the the official advisory body for- emergencies, which was the sole reach _ emergencies, which was the sole reach of— emergencies, which was the sole reach of scientific— emergencies, which was the sole reach of scientific advice - emergencies, which was the sole reach of scientific advice for- emergencies, which was the sole reach of scientific advice for the i reach of scientific advice for the common. — reach of scientific advice for the common. have _ reach of scientific advice for the common, have reported - reach of scientific advice for the common, have reported on- reach of scientific advice for the common, have repor

sage recommended a circuit breaker on the _ sage recommended a circuit breaker on the 17th— sage recommendedh september. if i can finish my sentence, _ on the 17th september. if i can finish my sentence, because . on the 17th september. if i can finish my sentence, because i | finish my sentence, because i discussed it with a chief medical officer at the time and his view was subtly different to sage, he thought we needed to put in the restrictions necessary to get r below one which would hold consistently through the winter. i thought that was a better proposition. with hindsight, should i have teamed up with the formal sage conclusions, etc? it would have been better to have something rather than nothing but my concern with a circuit breaker, even with hindsight, is that coming in and out of lockdown is not sustainable. it is not there on the public and it would have lost support —— not fair on the public and it would have lost support amongst legislators and i don't think it would have worked. with hindsight, the tears system didn't work because i was allowed to have a top tier which was

, remember, sage. _ about those sage meetings, remember, sage. and _ about those sage meetings, remembers from the other leading _ talking about claims from the other leading scientific adviser at the time. — leading scientific adviser at the time. the — leading scientific adviser at the time, the former government chief scientific— time, the former government chief scientific adviser, sir patrick vallance. _ scientific adviser, sir patrick vallance, that he had been more cautious— vallance, that he had been more cautious on the idea of lockdown. chris— cautious on the idea of lockdown. chris whitty was saying that no, he thought _ chris whitty was saying that no, he thought that lockdown would need to be taken. _ thought that lockdown would need to be taken, but he thought it was extremely important that the downsides were transparent. he likened — downsides were transparent. he likened it — downsides were transparent. he likened it to when you have an operation. _ likened it to when you have an operation, the doctor does notjust tell you _ operation, the doctor does notjust tell you th

did sage itself— the position of sage.ch? i don't think i late january to early march? i don't think i would _ late january to early march? i don't think i would have _ late january to early march? i don't think i would have used _ late january to early march? i don't think i would have used the - late january to early march? i don't| think i would have used the phrase, or certainly sage would have used the phrase overreaction. we would have said, here are some downsides. and these are things you need to be aware of. again, to go back to my earlier point, the differences between different people on sage on this were not of, are these downsides there, etc. all of these things were agreed. there was some difference as to the degree of weighting people are going to put on them. but it is important there is a degree of debate before these things are put forward. degree of debate before these things are put forward-— are put forward. there is a debate and individuals _ are put forward. there is a debate and individuals would _

a sage took asylum in ecuador, and embassy in london. the in the 2nd half of 2016, the company contracted to provide security services at the embassy by the government of ecuador, begin assisting the ca in spying on a sage, and his visitors in the embassy. they uploaded the security camera footage to an f t p server and gave a c. i a access to it in march 2017, which he leaves publish, fault 7, detailing the activities and capabilities of a c i a to perform electronic surveillance and cyber warfare, through smartphones and other devices. it was the largest leak in the history of the c. i a in april 2017. the us said that was an hour priority to arrest the sage . in august 2017. trump offer to sage a part if you would disclose who was responsible for leading democratic party e mails to weeks before the 2016 us presidential elections assigned refused to give up a source in december, 2017. the us government gave the u. k government, a sealed warrant for a st. joe's arrest in february, 2019 the echo during government receive loans of $102000

meeting _ mind and then we will look at a sage meeting of— mind and then we will look at a sage meeting _ mind and then we will look at a sage meeting of the 4th of february. - meeting of the 4th of february. 51925 — meeting of the 4th of february. 51925 page _ meeting of the 4th of february. 51925. page three. _ meeting of the 4th of february. 51925. page three. paragraph. meeting of the 4th of february. i 51925. page three. paragraph 19. asymptomatic— 51925. page three. paragraph 19. asymptomatic transmission - 51925. page three. paragraph 19. l asymptomatic transmission cannot 51925. page three. paragraph 19. - asymptomatic transmission cannot be ruled asymptomatic transmission cannot be ruted out— asymptomatic transmission cannot be ruled out an _ asymptomatic transmission cannot be ruled out an transmission _ asymptomatic transmission cannot be ruled out an transmission from - ruled out an transmission from mildly— ruled out an transmission from mildly symptomatic— ruled out an transmission from mildly symptomatic individualsj ruled out an transmission from . mildly symptomatic ind

, throughout the rest— to these, cobra, sage, throughout the rest of— to these, cobra, sage, throughoutint about the number of occasions in which _ about the number of occasions in which you — about the number of occasions in which you address the looming crisis is well— which you address the looming crisis is well made. hundreds of pages of learning _ is well made. hundreds of pages of learning produced by its age and the subcommittees and a variety of different— subcommittees and a variety of different other government meetings, and there _ different other government meetings, and there was a cobra on the 5th of februarv _ and there was a cobra on the 5th of february. there is a paper produced by the _ february. there is a paper produced by the london school of tropical medicine — by the london school of tropical medicine from its divisions, and this is— medicine from its divisions, and this is not— medicine from its divisions, and this is not a _ medicine from its divisions, and this is not a memory test, professor, but do you recall whether you were _ professor, but do you recall wh

the us said that it was an hour priority to arrest the sage. in august, 2017. trump offer to sage apart if you would disclose who was responsible for leading democratic party emails to wiki links. before the 2016 us presidential elections assigned refused to give up a source in december, 2017. the us government gave the u. k. government, a sealed warrant for a st, just arrest in february, 2019 the ecuadorian government received loans of $10200000000.00 from various multilateral institutions of which the us. as a majority, cheryl or the loans were provided with the agreement. the sage could be removed from the embassy, the in april, 2019 u. k. police entered the embassy of ecuador and forcibly carried julianna's sage out of the building and took him away in advance. on the same day, the us indictment against him was on seal. charging him was one count of computer intrusion. he was sentenced to 50 weeks and bill marsh prison. in the same month, sweden reopened the sexual assault investigation and the us filed 70 new charges against the in februar

the sage can be removed from the of the in april 2019 u. k. police entered the embassy of ecuador and forcibly carried julianna's sage out of the building and took him away in advance. on the same day, the us indictment against him was on seal. charging him with one couch of computer intrusion. he was sentenced to 50 weeks and bill marched prison. in the same month, sweden reopened the sexual assault investigation, and the us filed 70 new charges against the in february 2020. the extradition here and can still pull it from the same to 2020. the us department of justice issued updated 18 count indictment. if he says trial in the us and this phone goes to, it would face a sentence of a $175.00 abuse in prison. in november 2020 sweden dropped the rape case after reviewing the evidence. on the 4th of january 2021 judge, correct sir. rule the sage could not be extradited due to his mental health and risk of suicide. you know, to 2020 in a 2 day appeal, but the u. s. u. k. charges fav cus sent over to the decision note to extradite consumers in a

sage had not debated social distancing _ sage had not debated social distancing countermeasures sage not debated social- distancingcountermeasures until i distancing countermeasures until i said the _ distancing countermeasures until i said the 24th _ distancing countermeasures until i said the 24th of— distancing countermeasures until i said the 24th of march, _ distancing countermeasures until i said the 24th of march, in - distancing countermeasures until i said the 24th of march, in fact - distancing countermeasures until i said the 24th of march, in fact itsl said the 24th of march, in fact its the 25th — said the 24th of march, in fact its the 25th of— said the 24th of march, in fact its the 25th of march. _ said the 24th of march, in fact its the 25th of march. mr— said the 24th of march, in fact its the 25th of march. mr hancock i said the 24th of march, in fact its - the 25th of march. mr hancock fought it was— the 25th of march. mr hancock fought it was the _ the 25th of march. mr hancock fought it was the 26~ — the 25th of march. mr hancock fought it was the 26. sorry, _ t

you guys have nvidia and we have sage group. it is sage group? nai accounting company that is now using ai software more aggressively and starting to see benefits of that. you can see that in the guidance in the market, we do have a i stocks sage group up 13%. lvmh, luxury stocks were having a good time. what does that mean for the succession planning story? after raising the maximum age to which he can serve. but lvmh up 1.39%. kailey: there are a lot of people getting ready for black friday which is why volume is a little light. the s&p 500 up .33%. there are a few individual names creating quite a drag and one of them is nvidia, you have the strong guidance the topped expectation but that just goes to show how high the bar was. down 3%. john deere is down five point 5%. crop prices are down which means farmers are not gonna buy a new tractor. having its worst days since may of last year. finally oil, there were supposed to be an opec-plus meeting but a disagreement over production. maybe saudi arabia is not so happy with other members of the a

that report was discussed at the sage on the 25th _ report was discussed at the sage on the 25th of—ure, they were more stringent than what had come before, but pushing — than what had come before, but pushing the activity make to the autumn— pushing the activity make to the autumn or— pushing the activity make to the autumn or winter pushing the activity make to the autumn orwinter might pushing the activity make to the autumn or winter might worsen the consequences, so the notion that if you apply— consequences, so the notion that if you apply countermeasures, the wave is delayed, _ you apply countermeasures, the wave is delayed, or suppressed, and there is delayed, or suppressed, and there is a risk— is delayed, or suppressed, and there is a risk that— is delayed, or suppressed, and there is a risk that a second wave may come _ is a risk that a second wave may come back. _ is a risk that a second wave may come back. what may wave make comeback— come back. what may wave make comeback in a winter season and the consequences would be worse. can you please _ consequences would be wors

clear in your statement that from late september, the view that from late september, the view that sageat they needed to be some sort of circuit breaker, at least to try and create a pause and reduce the prevalence. is that a fair summary of the general position? yes. what i want to do now is look at a series of entries in your notes to try and understand the sequence of events running up to the second lockdown, and so if we can start, please, by looking at the schedule that we have page 245, and this is sunday the 25th of october, and i mean, before we even look at the content, we can see that you were attending meetings and giving advice every day of the week over the period, seven days a week. yes. presumably _ period, seven days a week. yes. presumably at _ period, seven days a week. yes. presumably at least _ period, seven days a week. yes. presumably at least some - period, seven days a week. yes. presumably at least some of - period, seven days a week. yes. presumably at least some of it l presumably at least some of it working from home but nonetheless attending meetings all the

of sage, and initially i understand, _ subgroup of sage, and initially i understand, i— subgroup oft _ understand, i was not part of it, to look at some — understand, i was not part of it, to look at some of— understand, i was not part of it, to look at some of the _ understand, i was not part of it, to look at some of the concerns - understand, i was not part of it, to i look at some of the concerns around rates _ look at some of the concerns around rates of _ look at some of the concerns around rates of infection _ look at some of the concerns around rates of infection in _ look at some of the concerns around rates of infection in care _ look at some of the concerns around rates of infection in care homes, - rates of infection in care homes, and professor— rates of infection in care homes, and professor hall— rates of infection in care homes, and professor hall comes - rates of infection in care homes, and professor hall comes very. rates of infection in care homes, - and professor hall comes very much from a _ and professor hall comes very much from a modelling _ and professor ha

on the sage group and people on sage felt urgency was needed and this escalated, and you can see thisbeyond the 12th. did i think all parts of the downing street machinery equally were seized of the urgency, i was not. machinery equally were seized of the urgency, iwas not. but machinery equally were seized of the urgency, i was not. but in the sense of the job of sir patrick and me amongst others, but reasonably, warner and dominic cummings and others, was to make sure they understood the urgency of action. this goes back to the discussion we had yesterday and this is quite a key point, the numbers we are talking about on the face of it at this point, that were actually being reported were small. if i can look, this is the ilith, we are talking about. the 14th of march, is that correct? ., about. the 14th of march, is that correct? . ., , ., correct? the internal e-mails of the 12th? at this — correct? the internal e-mails of the 12th? at this point _ correct? the internal e-mails of the 12th? at this point 590 _ correct? the internal e-mails of the 12th? at this point 590 cases - co

and of course from the sage minutes wasn't what was _ course from the sage minutes wasn't what was beingnd your experience of this. the timeline, we've dealt with the 10th of march and there was a view about covid being unstoppable. containing was no longer viable. you mentioned that you erased concerns on the 12th of march specifically regarding the limitations of sage modelling in an e—mail. you say this, we are at the limits of what modelling can tell us and then we see a pivotal meeting, my words not yours, on the 13th of march, a sage meeting. my terminology but would you agree that was a significant meeting? it felt that it was- _ was a significant meeting? it felt that it was- i— was a significant meeting? it felt that it was. i felt _ was a significant meeting? it felt that it was. | felt that _ was a significant meeting? it felt that it was. | felt that the - was a significant meeting? it felt| that it was. i felt that the content of the _ that it was. i felt that the content of the discussion and the emotional tone in— of the discussion and the emotional tone in the — of the di

. —— sage. perhaps we start by looking _ siege. —— sage.were there. did you attend every sage meeting during this period? i think i missed one. not this— this period? i think i missed one. not this one. this period? i think i missed one. not this one-— this period? i think i missed one. not this one. . ., , . ., not this one. page four, the section ofthe not this one. page four, the section of the minutes— not this one. page four, the section of the minutes headed _ not this one. page four, the section of the minutes headed behavioural. of the minutes headed behavioural science, _ of the minutes headed behavioural science, this was a summary of the discussions — science, this was a summary of the discussions which led to the decision— discussions which led to the decision that a behavioural science subgroup— decision that a behavioural science subgroup would be a good idea? and we have _ subgroup would be a good idea? and we have heard in the way it was set up. we have heard in the way it was set up i_ we have heard in the way it was set up

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including, stac, the technical advice sale, this was london's own virgin —— your own version of sage.esting disadvantages outweigh advantages. that is fair. that was the for the letter that you just mentioned. let us look at that. you say this was the first letter you wrote in this issue? prime minister was in hospital, dominic had taken over, dominic raab. . ., ., , dominic had taken over, dominic raab. . w, , .,, raab. indeed, dominic raab was takin: the raab. indeed, dominic raab was taking the place _ raab. indeed, dominic raab was taking the place of— raab. indeed, dominic raab was taking the place of the _ raab. indeed, dominic raab was taking the place of the primer i taking the place of the primer minister because of his illness. now, in the first line of this letter you refer their to the use of non—medical face coverings. letter you refer their to the use of non—medicalface coverings. does non—medical face coverings. does this non—medicalface coverings. does this pick up on the points already made switches that you were wanting to distinguish what we have been describing as

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sage had not debated social distancing _ sage had not debated social distancing countermeasures sage of march. mr— said the 24th of march, in fact its the 25th of march. mr hancock i said the 24th of march, in fact its i the 25th of march. mr hancock fought it was— the 25th of march. mr hancock fought it was the _ the 25th of march. mr hancock fought it was the 26~ — the 25th of march. mr hancock fought it was the 26. sorry, _ the 25th of march. mr hancock fought it was the 26. sorry, february. - the 25th of march. mr hancock fought it was the 26. sorry, february. i- it was the 26. sorry, february. i have _ it was the 26. sorry, february. i have been— it was the 26. sorry, february. i have been asked _ it was the 26. sorry, february. i have been asked to _ it was the 26. sorry, february. i have been asked to make - it was the 26. sorry, february. i- have been asked to make absolutely clear. _ have been asked to make absolutely clear. there — have been asked to make absolutely clear, there was _ have been asked to make absolutely clear, there was a _ have been asked to make absolutely

judgejeremy was a member of sage at this time.aragraph there, of a friction between waiting and waiting in. he said it led to a palpable tension between patrick and chris in the early weeks of 2020, particularly given the —— apparent absence of political leadership in that period. he refers to the fact that period. he refers to the fact that boris johnson that period. he refers to the fact that borisjohnson did not attend the first cobra meetings. he describes it as a palpable tension between waiting and waiting in. and there are some references in your notes which would seem to support that suggestion. if we can look pleased at 273—901, this is the schedule, ijust want pleased at 273—901, this is the schedule, i just want to show you a few references, sir patrick. perhaps we ought to say that you were not writing these notes contemporaneously for the first three months or so of the pandemic, you wrote a sort of catch up section in march or thereabouts looking back to the early days, but relating to january 2020, he thought chris

_ appears to be, in early march, the sage minutes _ appears to be, in early march, the sage minutes sage minutes from the 4th of march and there is a cobra meeting - sage minutes from the 4th of march and there is a cobra meeting on i sage minutes from the 4th of march and there is a cobra meeting on thej and there is a cobra meeting on the 9th of— and there is a cobra meeting on the 9th of march, — and there is a cobra meeting on the 9th of march, the _ and there is a cobra meeting on the 9th of march, the reasonable i 9th of march, the reasonable worst-case _ 9th of march, the reasonable worst—case scenario - 9th of march, the reasonable worst—case scenario debate i 9th of march, the reasonable - worst—case scenario debate appears to have _ worst—case scenario debate appears to have rumbled _ worst—case scenario debate appears to have rumbled on _ worst—case scenario debate appears to have rumbled on a _ worst—case scenario debate appears to have rumbled on a nun— worst—case scenario debate appears to have rumbled on a nun long i worst—case scenario debate appears to have rumbled

how to get benefits from sage, and most importantly, for whom consuming sage can be dangerous, we’llves go to hell, right? and recent studies have shown that salvia can improve all these symptoms. see what happens, the body gradually begins to calm down. let's. a little more, quieter and quieter, the symptoms are significantly reduced, as a result - the use of sage literally for several weeks, what is the connection between sage and hot flashes? since menopausal syndrome, these are the symptoms, they are associated with deficiency of estrogen, and sage, it contains plant analogues of these hormones, so-called phytoestrogen, which acts on the estrogen receptor, they tell the body everything is fine, in place, yes, so don’t worry, and what happens, the body calms down, this is accompanied by improved sleep, this is accompanied by a decrease in anxiety, this is accompanied by a decrease in joint pain and other manifestations of menopausal syndrome. in what form should you take sage to achieve this effect? well, actually the most the most common, probably the most ancient, way is to add

there _ join sage? you can ask patrick vallance. there were i join sage? _ good particularly linked to hannah freud the — good particularly linked to hannah freud the mathematician. a simulation of the spread of coronavirus which we thought had very powerful insights in it —— hannah— very powerful insights in it —— hannah fry. we were also interested in the _ hannah fry. we were also interested in the details of the transmission as i explained earlier including the extent— as i explained earlier including the extent to — as i explained earlier including the extent to which, which behaviours would _ extent to which, which behaviours would protect both individuals and populations? sir patrick was very keen— populations? sir patrick was very keen there — populations? sir patrick was very keen there be one voice and one view on this— keen there be one voice and one view on this and _ keen there be one voice and one view on this and he encouraged and asked me to _ on this and he encouraged and asked me tojoin _ on this and he encouraged and asked me tojoin sage

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here is sage steel. >> hello jesse. he has issues i think it was established.ave intimate knowledge of karen he has taken a liking to -- last year they put me on a list of top 10, sage steel, who is the black candace owens. i'll leave that there. that gives you perspective. i wrote down a quote. carron rote wrote, found a way to hate indians and black people. here is the problem with people like carron, they are making money. dead deadspin, espn, focussing on race and sport. if they don't create these narratives, they don't have a job. there is no money in it. my fears this is going to continue. they have continued to hire people to stir the pot and make things up. only doing what? dividing. i think we should be celebrating a nine-year-old kid. he is not on his video games. he is cheering for his team. that is what sport ises all sports is all about. >> jesse: the bosss are happy. carron got traffic and clicks. they don't care about the controversy? they like controversy for money? >> you don't doubt that, do you? >> jesse: they don't care they are hurting a ni

, _ that the commissioning of advice in sage, because it was done generally by the _ sage, because itentric _ by the cabinet office was to england centric do _ by the cabinet office was to england centric. do you have a view on that? not a _ centric. do you have a view on that? not a strong — centric. do you have a view on that? not a strong view, no. i think it is in the nature of our university system that you will have people at imperial, oxford, elsewhere that will come from different parts of the uk and indeed from outside the uk. more cosmopolitan environment than the medical faculties and science faculties of our leading universities. i do not think so, no. another issue raised in the witness statements concerns the fiscal tevers — statements concerns the fiscal tevers of — statements concerns the fiscal levers of power available to the united — levers of power available to the united kingdom government. whereas public— united kingdom government. whereas public health is devolved, the means by which _ public health is devolved, the means by which you can address public health—

so, sage oil for flower, white, wine, and 2 things. i that it all starts with the right means which edlio gets from the butcher shop next door. it's crucial to have the best quality view for the dish and give it to the slices. here's a very tender and taste greatness equals the alias. swiss by the tend to feel not. oh and yeah, so we're taking a slice of view, a cabinet. it's a lot. it's going to be sold at 1st and then we take the sage. according to the recipe, you actually take a whole lot loads. yeah. but that's problematic for you both. both of the 5 is can be unpleasant in the mountains. so that's why we always use dried sage. it's much more palatable on the, on the super blame. i would assume they go to course let me put a slice of edge, right pressure to one top of it. and then we take amounts of pressure to it because the into that live it gives character to the dish. with that, you can take another kind of him, but mountain pressure dose is ideal for this dish. a normal see event that we then connect to the meeting with him us