bill sahlman? >> well, i'm not wildly optimistic.nk actually what's going to happen is the possibilities are there for corporations to take control of that training program just because i think self-insured corporations are going to turn out to be major players in trying to reorganize health and payment reform in a variety of things. i think, in fact, the corporations have to be the ones have to be the one to add value to labor, they have to be willing to do that and i think many of them are. we've got this bizarre situati in the politics of the u.s. where we've set up an "us versus them" camp. a device of the pie camp not growing the pie. and i think that's dysfunctional in terms of retraining workers and getting them employed again. >> and corporations are just shedding jobs now from the last few weeks there has to be growth for the government. we have to provide unemploymen benefits, yes, but what about telling those unemployment people you wor 20 hours a week in a public infrastructure program and you get paid or you get credit g