and i thinhe pretty much saidi started out as someone o is suspicious going in. i arted out suspicious of staying where were but i was dragged byhe evidence by pragmatic rsons that we had top our ante. and the se made specifically to the europes is that the govement understand the responsibility but the americaneople were much more suspiciouand a bit of what he is did in that speech was try tpersuade the americ people to supportheir government. >> the damage inflicteupon the country going to war must be seous, must be grav and must be lasting. it must have exhausted all other means of rolving the dispute bere you go to war. or is seen as a last rest. and third this is a ju r. and that oer means must be seens practical, ineffective,aving been exhausd. there mu be a reason for a chance of suess and of course you musbe proportional tthe ends is out inodern war that obviously involv air attacks, as well acivilian populati. and think it's tough to make the casin 2009 that afghanistan represents a grave threat in the unit states. >> do we want th afghanistan debate. fi