are people who lost the war after the hanoi occupied the whole country of people who fought for the saigon regime, who fought in the south vietnamese army were sent to prison, in many cases never came back. there were purges, there were-- people were persecuted. in fact, we have many vietnamese living in america who fled during those years to escape that kind of punishment. one of the south vietnamese commanders i interviewed lives in arlington, virginia, goes by harry now, was in prison for eight years before his friends in the american forces, people he worked with during the war managed to get him released and brought to the united states. and you know, he could only point to a three or four people who served with him, who would be willing to talk to me because they fear still retribution by the hanoi regi regime. >> host: how about one more for now and take more later. >> sure. this is more of a process question and so, if you want to address it now or laterment i'm just curious that when you write this book with so much research required and travel and whatever, how do you finance thi

the saigon government stayed away. back home, nixon pressed his southern strategy.of the court who were strict constructionists and that was sort of a code word. and what he meant was that they would be opposed to integration of the races. >>rick: he incorporated enough wallace voters by speaking in this southern regional cod and he even got enough independent voters who wanted to get out of the vietnam war by very kinda cleverly couching his vietnam position as one that might just point towards withdrawl. >>we're gonna go over big in november all the way. >>kevin: in the end, wallace was pushed low enough so that nixon could carry the outer south, which is to say virginia, north carolina, florida. >>edward: he was like all things to all men, which you can't do in politics. but somehow he was able to do it. >>nixon barely won in 1968. but by scrabbling and scratching and climbing and working, he won. >>dick: his southern strategy worked. nixon pulled off the unthinkable comeback. >>richard: having lost a close one eight years ago and having won a close one this year

i come from minneapolis. 1st infantry division, round about '68, saigon.'ve been waiting for this a long time. "excuse me" would go a long way there, friend! he's with us? yeah. i tried to introduce myself to him this morning. he told me to mind my own business. (chuckles) geez. woman: taxi! hey, hey, i got here first! i hate to do this, but i am already late. please, i will lose my job. henry! henry. kid, i already told you, i got to get out of here.

we've been to saigon, can tho, nha trang -- he was my original minder for vietnam's ministry of foreignfriends. >> hai: one, two, three -- ba, yo! welcome back. welcome back. cheers. >> anthony: lin has brought me to a great and proud and uniquely hanoi tradition -- bia hoi. bia hoi refers to the roadside joints where locals gather to consume keg-dispensed, freshly brewed draft beer. ah, that's good. >> lin: it's not strong at all, my friend. just like between 3 to 4%. >> anthony: ah, so we need to drink a lot. >> lin: yeah. >> hai: yeah. >> lin: cheers for hanoi beer. [ horns honking ] it was something luxurious 30 years -- >> hai: yeah. >> lin: -- ago. >> anthony: right. >> lin: and now it's for everyone. >> hai: yeah. >> lin: it's not expensive. ten thousand dong. >> anthony: so, that's -- >> hai: 40 cents. >> lin: 40, 45 cents. >> anthony: 45 cents a beer. >> both: yeah. >> anthony: i'll have another. i can afford that. ♪ the country's changed so much. when i first came, bicycles and motorbikes. now lot of cars. >> lin: more cars. >> anthony: you know, look, money. >> lin: yeah. >>

they had the portly nuclear war theorist and one report for darpa proposed building a moat around saigon. his anti- infiltration moat became so widely derided by the press that someone jokingly suggested they did, to work on it. they were also sort of a well-known brand study called the motivation and morale study. he took one look at it and said you are telling the air force what it wants to hear which is that the bombing is not working. you began to cut off a lot of funding for these things he was pretty convinced were just telling the pentagon when it went to hear. the pentagon disapproved. so, the solution he thought he came up with was a company in cambridge. it was very well respected and well-known in the company rose to fame in the election john f. kennedy by predicting on a state-by-state basis results of an accuracy by 80%. harpers magazine had called its work on a people machine human behavior and a well-known professor called if the a-bomb of social sciences comparing it to the development of the atomic weapon. he really thought they could solve the problem. it seem like a pe

of hue, i think you murdered a great deal of the confidence the south vietnamese people had in the saigonernment. jeffrey: the book is "hue 1968." the magazine is "the atlantic." i recommend people read both. mark bowden, pleasure to have you. mark: thank you. ♪ jeffrey: we continue now with foreign policy. for the first time in quite a while, our country and leaders are questioning the underlying assumptions that have governed foreign policymaking since the end of world war ii, especially as they concern what america 's role in the world should be. here to discuss these challenges are, from washington, richard fontaine, the president of the center for new american security. here in new york is gideon rose, the editor of "foreign affairs magazine," and david miliband is here, president of the international rescue committee, just returned from visiting south sudan and uganda. i am pleased to welcome them all to the program. thank you for being here. there is the whole world to cover in the next period of time. we will get right to it. david, i want to come to world refugee day, which we ar