morrison's and sainsbury's so as far as food concerned, we're optimistic those companies can meet their hopes and -- >> people have to eat. >> that's the thing. drilling down into that, we had m&s earnings today, they're trying to combine the two. according to your rating you have marks & spencer at stable outlook. sales fell a bit short of expectations, slightly weaker. food sales dropped a bit, but clothing down 2.8% this is another manifestation of a retailer struggling when it comes to the clothing division how do you think about m&s prospects from here? >> it's one of those retailers that faces that challenge of remaining fresh and compellingc. it's trying to deliver in that respect. it's trying to make itself more competitive in terms of the price and trying to get back to values of being good value for money et cetera. actually it's pretty well positioned in its credit rating category and as such from a credit perspective we feel that it looks relatively stable. but that shift online is something that it needs to address along with all other non-food retailers, the clothing players in particular. >> we don't need you to name names, but do you consider some of these legac