8 but maybe warsaw before we get to that future max i would like to remind everybody as many fake saito she's will come forward in the next year or so i had i do want to remind everybody 10 years into bitcoin remind you that the 1st big queen transaction was between cit toshi and how finney soto she's. how phinney the 1st bitcoin transaction why does the toshi choose how funny what what was the genesis of it queen what was the environment what was the mood what was the reasoning behind it and i saw this quote from how funny that really made me think of what he was and he was a cypherpunk he was a cryptic graphic activists he was one of these guys and he said it seems so obvious to me here we are faced with the problems of loss of privacy creeping computerization massive databases more centralization and david charm offers a completely different direction to go in one which puts power in the hands of individuals rather than government and corporations the computer can be used as a tool to liberate and protect people rather than to control them so david chaum invented cash digit cash back