she also said that sajid javid had become home secretary as the son of a pakistani bus driver. windrush was mentioned briefly. critics will say she airbrushed her responsibilities as far as that is concerned. let's talk about the rest of the speech with our guests. the bbc‘s chief political correspondent hasjoined us. bbc‘s chief political correspondent has joined us. what bbc‘s chief political correspondent hasjoined us. what did you make of it? to relief on her face because compared to last year some of this was just a matter of getting through it. she did better than that. the personal story about her goddaughter, that gave authenticity to this speech in a way we have not heard from her before. the striking things worthy attacks on labour and there were a lot of them and they we re very there were a lot of them and they were very strong. there were a lot of them and they were very strong. there is one thing that unites party. it reflects what i've been hearing from cabinet mr ‘s this week who are very concerned and they thinkjeremy corbyn is setting they thinkjeremy corbyn i

in terms of foreign policy, we need to be pushing back on donald trump. —— sajid javid gave up on itould please trumpet. we're having a long conversation about what it means to be british. if he just rolls over and allows british citizens, no matter what they've done, to be foisted off and possibly subject to the death penalty, that's a really worrying precedent to set. toa a really worrying precedent to set. to a very different story. straight to the subject you are hoping to talk about, liam, and thatis that is strictly come dancing... the curse! i've watched it over the yea rs. we curse! i've watched it over the years. we are all aware of the curse, aren't we? ritual riley from countdown splitting from her husband... was not at the comedian being caught kissing his professional partner —— we have now got. he's been dumped by his girlfriend. mr clickers seems to —— the curse seems to live on with his incredible ability to allegedly transfixed the nation, dawn. it was her birthday! she made her own statement. she's been very strong, i think. i cannot imagine what it must be like to

this is a pledge from theresa may and sajid javid.e secretary, and low and behold another person who is perhaps trying to burnish their leadership credentials by speaking to the wall and what's interesting is sajid javid was born in rochdale, the son of pakistani immigrants, his dad was a bus driver, had quite a tough upbringing with his brothers, and obviously has gone on to great success. he is very much in the thatcherite camp in terms where he stands in the conservative party. and he was saying, so after, what was it, 2020, you know, all people in the eu who want to come, 3 million people, that has been agreed, that was agreed last december with the northern ireland backstop, but other immigrants will not now be allowed in and they will stop low paid immigrants from returning, so it is quite an interesting thing for him to say. what he does have the backing of is mrs may, who backed up his comments, so unlike others he is not going off—piste, he is in sync with the prime ministerfor now. off—piste, he is in sync with the prime min

sajid javid.rexit secretary dominic raab has warned that the french authorities could introduce a "go slow" approach approach at the port of calais if there is no deal on the uk leaving the eu. there's been widespread concern particularly in the automotive industry and food sectors about the impact of longer border checks if no agreement is reached. in the commons, the snp raised a warning by the spending watchdog about the state of preparedness of revenue and customs. the national office warned that not a single one of the preparations was anything other than a red amber status of lack of preparedness. that is on top of the 80,000 scottishjobs, £2300 out the pockets of every scottish household and 9% have turned economy that no—deal brexit is likely to bring. as the secretary of state is telling us, it's possible for the prime minister to bring back a bad deal that's worse than that. yes, and he's right to point to the risks of 'no deal' but the point is to have the planning of the preparations i

this is the scene live in birmingham where home secretary sajid javid is about to speak. number of people known to have died in the earthquake and tsunami in indonesia rises to more than 1,200. almost 200,000 people are in need of urgent help, the united nations says, among them thousands of children. people who have made it here are getting food and limited clean water. they have two meals a day, rice and egg. but they are running out of water, and that is the main concern now. anger as passengers are left stranded as the budget airline primera air, which offered cheap flights to north america and spain, collapses. re—living a bombing mission over berlin: how a wartime recording by the bbc was brought back to life by virtual reality. good afternoon. it's tuesday the 2nd of october. the government is to change the law in england and wales so that heterosexual couples can seek a civil partnership. injune that the supreme court ruled that the current law was illegal because it only apply to same—sex couples. more than 3 million heterosexual couples live together and share f

we don't quite know yet, but sajid javid is accused of having given up any british resistance towardsourse... and the claim is he didn't ensure that. and one of their mothers is bringing a case against the home 0ffice bringing a case against the home office to protest them. and let's move on to the daily mail, and this very sad story we have heard about through the course of the day, this second allergy death that pret a manger, just talk us through that. celia marsh was 42, she died over the christmas period eating a pret a manger rap and there was dairy in something that was supposed to be the game and the daily mail are focused on the fact the bread can be up focused on the fact the bread can be up to focused on the fact the bread can be uptoa focused on the fact the bread can be up to a year old and brought in and reheated —— supposed to be vegan. i think most people would feel that pret advertise themselves as cooking fresh, et cetera, it is not entirely related to the allergy issue but it raises questions about exactly how pret are selling their food, how it is advertised on whe

sajid javid will say that is not a cce pta ble sajid javid will say that is not acceptable and he willis using drugs, where do they come from, are theyin drugs, where do they come from, are they in particular professions and backgrounds? that is in order to target police resources more effectively. he will say it marks a fundamental gear change from a system which has had a rather blase attitude towards middle—class drug abuse. that will involve a review, we don't know what will follow on from that he wants clarity about how prevalent drug abusers amongst professionals and middle classes. more from norman later. if you might describe yourself as a middle—class drug user, let me know what drugs you use and what you think of what the home secretary will argue in his speech later. let's bring you the rest of the morning's news with joanna. good morning. officials in indonesia say the death toll from friday's devastating earthquake and tsunami has risen to more than 1,200. there's growing anger over indonesia's response. survivors are facing a fifth day without water or power. the united n

the home secretary, sajid javid, has announced that doctors in england, wales and scotland will be ableprescribe cannabis products to patients from november the first. the new rules will apply to cannabis medicines which meet particular safety standards. campaigners who have been calling for changes to the law have heralded the move as ‘momentous'. it comes off the back of several high—profile cases, including that of young epilepsy sufferers alfie dingley and billy caldwell, whose conditions appeared to be helped by cannabis oil. and i'm joined now by steve moore who campaigned on behalf of billy caldwell. he is also the director of voltefa ce, a think tank which explores alternatives to current policies relating to drugs. we knew this was coming but still having that data from the moment this can happen must feel like quite significant? it is a very significant? it is a very significant moment. if you had asked when i was in the home office on to the home office minister responsible for cannabis, he told winner was no way this could happen. four months later we have this announcement

we have sajid javid going as well.m sure and i hope that he gets more people going to his speech. if i was prime minister, he would delay brexit by six months, he would delay brexit by six months, he says. he would obviously saved the day for britain if he was the top one. what does he think he will achieve in six months?” top one. what does he think he will achieve in six months? i don't know, sally. people are wondering what this is about. you are one of the three main people put in the cabinet. or is johnson, three main people put in the cabinet. or isjohnson, ashley boris johnson where is the alternative plan? you want to be prime minister? you are talking about business, business. what we want is a certainty and if we delay this for another six months, will be sat here talking about its ill. how can we move forward. —— this still. we want to make sure the economy is booming. everyone is up for that. lay out the plan. notjust everyone is up for that. lay out the plan. not just six everyone is up for that. lay out t

there was a treat by sajid javid earlier today and i saw his language was actually kind of insensitive wejust was actually kind of insensitive and i think we just have to be very careful of their being white paedophiles, white rapists and white sex offenders. i know this is a problem among certain asian communities but we have to be very careful. we were speaking to a gentleman earlier and he pointed that this particular model being street grooming. a lot of the white male paedophiles, it takes place within homes and online but, like he said, the real issue perhaps is the fa ct said, the real issue perhaps is the fact that social services, child protection, what they said was that you do kind of say, how can you not understand that there are lessons learned? there are people speaking up. teenage children are not being seen as up. teenage children are not being seen as children. let's send very quick read too... we need a bit of brexit, don't we? the times. i'm going to hand it to you, jason. three former cabinet secretaries, the most senior civil serva nts servants this is about the ci

moving on is interesting yasmin he mentioned that sajid javid was making his covers featuring empty halloris johnson was making his buddy didn't make interesting announcement which the times is trumpeting out after a few investigations of forced marriage victims to get protection. this is really good it is notjust the times, many of us have been writing about this for 30 years. there has been in nervousness about really tackling this issue in a practical way and if this actually happens i hope it's not used as another way to control the judgement immigration and marriages between agreed partners but where it is forced and proven to be forced the spouse will not be getting a visa which is good. one thing is interesting, it's not only women who are forced into marriages it's also man. this is an important regulation if fairly implemented. the fear is, and put a lot of people have e—mailed me and said this isjust another way of stopping people coming, soi another way of stopping people coming, so i don't know. i don't trust anybody anymore. do i assume you'll agree on this one as well? yes.

and at the same time the home secretary sajid javid made some very pertinent points and nobody listenedt all, which is quite something. in the independent it talks about his leadership chances. they say they have increased. and they talk about a seasoned borisologists, weighing up a seasoned borisologists, weighing up what he had to say in his speech and they talked about how it had a lot of typicaljohnsonian audacity, phrases we have to become familiar with. very interesting and it also talks about how there is no time for the election, which i would question, because if you look two weeks ago emily thornbury said, we will work out whatever theresa may comes up with with the brexiteers and, oh, no, we don't wanta referendum, we'll go for an election. going back to the telegraph it argues the cabinet says she must step down because the election was such a disaster last time, the snap election that she called, she played it all wrong and they don't want to go through that experience again. let's look at the financial times, amazon raises the minimum wage prompting jeff bezos to listen. t

sajid javid, the uk home secretary, is going to look at the rise of ageism as a hate crime.d of doubled to over 80,000 over the past five or six yea rs. 80,000 over the past five or six years. not much evidence of ageism, of course, ageism would not be recorded as a hate crime at the moment. from my perspective, i celebrate the fact that older people are able to be in the workplace. there is some union this. let's see what the uk government actually comes up what the uk government actually comes up with. it is seen in older people, the charities say that1 million older people are that it is of physical, financial and psychological hate crimes, but do not get prosecuted because it is very difficult to make a case for it, because they do not come under any kind of categories such as hate crime. that figure is quite astonishing. it is. i think crime. that figure is quite astonishing. it is. ithink what crime. that figure is quite astonishing. it is. i think what the proposition is here, it looks quite compelling to me. lots of older people have made a significant contribution.

see what little good he is going to announce, but it is at 1.00 tomorrow, at the same time that sajid javid speaking. and he says, please come along to minor 12.00, and he says, please come along to minor12.00, i and he says, please come along to minor 12.00, i have and he says, please come along to minor12.00, i have got and he says, please come along to minor 12.00, i have got interesting policies as well! so it is a beauty pageant going on here. it is bizarre that boris should just be tearing into the prime minister, but that is what we should come to expect. yes, how big a problem as borisjohnson for the conservative party? —— jess. yes, he is a problem, but he is loved by a lot of the tory heartlands, and we had some polling yesterday at huffpost which says that he is the favoured amongst the public to succeed theresa may, but he would lose tojeremy corbyn in a general election, which is an interesting outcome for him. because obviously, great news for him that he is the favourite to be the next prime minister, but i don't know, it is in trusting, isn't it's he is popular with lots of

the home secretary, sajid javid, told the house of commons that some relatives of gurkhas and afghanice immigration mistake their servers. is this another potential windrush? at the moment, it doesn't look like that. but we know that the windrush scandal started with very small numbers of people affected and crew. what seems to have happened is that home office officials were demanding that some seeking immigrant visas to come and settle in britain, very often for family reasons, they had reasons relatives here, had to prove that they had dna. it now transpires that ina number of they had dna. it now transpires that in a number of cases, particularly seems involving the relatives of gurkha soldiers and afghan interpreters, they were told that if they wanted to come than they had to give that dna evidence and, in some limited cases, because they did not a lwa ys limited cases, because they did not always unable or could not afford to provide that evidence, they were unable to come here. at the moment, it seems we are only talking about a handful of cases. it has been seized on by the

be speaking to a campaigner for the legalisation of medicinal cannabis after the home secretary, sajid javidced that doctors in england and wales will be able to prescribe cannabis products to patients from the first of november. then at 7pm, beyond 100 days will be discussing how saudi—turkey relations have been affected by the disappearance of the saudi journalist, jamal khashoggi. and later, at 10:1i0pm and 11:30pm, we'll be looking at how this evening's cabinet meeting on brexit is covered on tomorrow's front pages, that's in the papers. my guests tonight are political journalists david wooding from the sun on sunday, and jessica elgot from the guardian. that's all ahead on bbc news. now on bbc news it's time for sportsday. hello and welcome to sportsday, i'm olly foster. can scotland win again in the nations league? we'll have the latest from haifa ahead of their match against israel. up to 500 england fans are expected in rijeka tomorrow, but they won't be able to get in to watch their game against croatia. and 50 years on, we meet the man behind that salute on top of the olympic podiu

that sexual orientation that gender identity their race or religion but these a fine secretary sajid javid gets his way the. that definition of what constitutes a hate crime will be broadened to include things like ages them and misfortune is the problem is that talk of expanding a law isn't particularly popular with those that will have to enforce the potential new laws the police u.k. forces are struggling to maintain an effective service battling steep budget cuts and an unprecedented wave of violent crime that's the reason the government's law review has prompted criticism from one high profile police officer who's standing up to the idea saying that though it's noble it's not needed and it'll make it even harder to police what he calls genuine crimes the first priority of any government is the protection of the people let us focus urgently on genuine crime supported by basic evidence let's not encourage people to think we can solve deep social problems or give employment people manners so should the police be dealing with things like wolf whistling and ages them we want to see what lo

phone secretary sajid javid gets his way then that definition of what constitutes a hate crime will be brule wanted to include things like ages him and miss origin e the problem is that talk of expanding a law isn't particularly popular with those that will have to enforce the potential new laws the police u.k. forces a struggling to maintain an effective service battling steep budget cuts and an unprecedented wave of violent crime so should the police be dealing with things like wolf whistling and ages them we want to see what london this the. i think you'd rather than focus on burglaries turn up on facebook i say focus on the areas trying to cut down the crime it's obvious of the police to decide how they spend their results i mean i would like to see more police on the beat on the street but that doesn't seem to be a very high priority at the moment they feel that they're being pulled away from what i think most people regard as bread and butter issues of policing going after criminals mode goes. out to go after. so-called hate crimes which might be unpleasantly into vigils before w

we are talking about immigration, sajid javid will be talking about that at the conference today.sures that free movement comes to an end once and for all, and we will be deciding who can come into this country. but we recognise the point that you have made, that businesses say that there are skills that they need to bring into this country. so the new system will be based not on where people come from but on what they can contribute to the economy, they can contribute to the economy, the skills that they have. of course, we are also working as a government to ensure that we are building up the skills of young people here in the uk. at our new immigration policy is crucially going to ensure free movement ends, and who can come here will be determined by their contribution to our economy, not by where they come from. you claim to be the party of business, you have made that stand before, but firms like jaguar land rover, bmw, toyota, they have issued stark warnings about what they see as the dangers of no deal brexit. how can you claim to be the party of business if you seem to be

sajid javid said some relatives of gurkhas and afghan nationals employed by the uk government were amongected in recent years. 0ur deputy political editor john pienaar reports. british born and raised, even had a uk passport prove it, but 60—year—old andrew's british father became estranged from his vietnamese mother, and then he refused to give the dna sample the home office wrongfully demanded to prove his son's identity. andrew was suddenly stateless. translation: you don't know where you belong. it's really upsetting me, and so confusing. letters like this by the hundred were sent in the last three years, with no legal authority, demanding dna evidence of identity and parentage. another embarrassment for the government. ten years ago, these gurkha vetera ns' last battle was for their right to stay in britain. and they won, with the help of celebrities and party leaders on their way to government. gurkhas' families too were unlawfully ordered to submit dna evidence they were here legally. and today, the home secretary's apology was unqualified. no one should have faced the demand to s

sajid javid said some relatives of gurkhas and afghan nationals employed by the uk government were amongecent years. our home affairs correspondent daniel sandford reports. andrew tran, six years old and learning to read was born in britain and used to have a british passport but the home office would not renew it after his british father who is estranged from his vietnamese mother refused to take a dna test. translation: i do not know what will happen in the future. no country and no nationality, you do not know you belong to. it is really upsetting me. it is so confusing. it has now emerge that hundreds of letters like this were sent out in the last three years, requiring immigrants to take dna tests to prove who their father is. a statement, home secretary. in the house of commons, the home secretary apologised for those demands which the home office had no legal right to make. no one should have faced the demands requiring dna evidence and no one should be penalised for not providing it. in particular, i would like to extend my apologies to those gurkhas and afghans that have been af

sajid javid said some relatives of gurkhas and afghan nationals employed by the uk government were amongffected in recent years. 0ur deputy political editor john pienaar reports. british born and raised, even had a uk passport prove it, but 60—year—old andrew's british father became estranged from his vietnamese mother, and then he refused to give the dna sample the home office wrongfully demanded to prove his son's identity. andrew was suddenly stateless. translation: you don't know where you belong. it's really upsetting me, and so confusing. letters like this by the hundred were sent in the last three years, with no legal authority, demanding dna evidence of identity and parentage. another embarrassment for the government. ten years ago these gurkha veterans' last battle was for their right to stay in britain. and they won, with the help of celebrities and party leaders on their way to government. gurkhas' families too were unlawfully ordered to submit dna evidence they were here legally. and today, the home secretary's apology was unqualified. no one should have faced the demand to s

changes announced today by the home secretary, sajid javid.ing to happen. and i say that as an asian muslim woman who has been writing this for a long time. not because of any bad intent, but government after government has been reluctant to deal with the seriousness of forced marriages and the victims and the spouses marriages and the victims and the spouses that are brought over, some of whom are also victims. you know, both sides can be forced into these u nwa nted both sides can be forced into these unwanted marriages. and i think, because he himself is of pakistani muslim heritage, perhaps he can push this one through. it has been a long time coming. tony, what do you make of it? fahmy the key thing was that in past victims of forced marriages and abuse have had to make public statements. so the families have seen statements. so the families have seen them, and a lot of these forced marriages, the families are complicit so it caused great grief for the victims to go public and say no, i will not be doing this. this will allow them to be a

but it is interesting that sajid javid is not really talk about it.in interviews. it is something that allows him to put some distance between him and theresa may and her time at the home office. you know, dare one say with an idea that he might have designs on the tory leadership and that the ministership as well. he has been positioning himself as a firm but fair home secretary. but one who is pursuing a very distinct policy from his predecessor. an ambitious politician, who would have thought i? lesson to the front of the telegraph again as our final talking point and one that has lots of elements to it. losing of donald trump attacks media over mail bomb scare. yes, after we saw barack obama, the clintons set the script by bombs in the post in recent days, out now we know that robert deniro and joe biden have also received such packages. luckily, none have gone up what is how these donald trump critics vilified by the right are the targets so a lot of the sort of suspicions growing up about where these pipe bombs might have admitted from and why?

sajid javid, addressing senior police officers in london.. before i came into politics in 2010, i was in business, travelled the world, visited many, many countries on every continent and often when the conversation turned to policing, people would very often says, perfectly understandably, you in britain, you have the best police in the world, and they said that because we do. we do have the best police in the world and that is recognised by everyone and that sta rts recognised by everyone and that starts with leadership, that means you, so thank you for what you do, how you do it. you will always have my admiration and my support for what you do. one thing i can say about being home secretary is it is about being home secretary is it is a short learning curve and when i took up the job, i thought policing was an area i knew took up the job, i thought policing was an area i knew a took up the job, i thought policing was an area i knew a little about, something i would understand quite quickly. but one thing but i realised was that it is an

in the past hour sajid javid told the commons that some relatives of gurkhas and afghan nationals employedople affected. our home affairs correspondent daniel sandford is here. what is the significance of this apology from the same secretary? the home office policy is that while dna tests can be useful in immigration cases, they can never be compulsory, but this review which started in july found that in three different schemes, people were being told they had to take a dna test. 0ne schemes, people were being told they had to take a dna test. one of them was an antifraud scheme, which led to seven people having their applications refused because they either couldn't or didn't want to ta ke either couldn't or didn't want to take a dna test. 0ne either couldn't or didn't want to take a dna test. one was to do with gurkha families, in which four people had their applications refused because they didn't take dna tests, and one was to do with afg ha ns tests, and one was to do with afghans who worked in britain during the conflict in afghanistan. in all three of these cases, letters were sent

the home secretary, sajid javid, has apologised to people wrogly forced to take dna tests to prove theyeview, doesn't it? that's right. this problem first arrived in june, that's right. this problem first arrived injune, that people had to ta ke arrived injune, that people had to take a dna test, which is completely against home office policy. the home secretary ordered a review at what had been going on and he hasjust updated the house of commons on the result of that review. it identified three areas in the last couple of yea rs three areas in the last couple of years where people have been sent letters saying they have to take dna tests. 0ne letters saying they have to take dna tests. one was an antifraud campaign, which started back in april 2016, campaign, which started back in april2016, it campaign, which started back in april 2016, it appears that 83 letters were sent out to people saying we had to have dna tests. 83 people had their applications refused, and seven of those people had though application refused only because they refuse to take this dna test that they had been to

the home secretary, sajid javid, told the house of commons that some relatives of gurkhas and afghanre among dozens affected. with me now is our home affairs correspondent, danny shaw. what was the significance of this announcement? i think it is significant because it is an acknowledgement by the home office that another serious error has been made in respect of hundreds of people potentially who were ordered to ta ke people potentially who were ordered to take dna tests to prove they had relatives living in britain. these we re relatives living in britain. these were people who were applying to settle in the uk and to prove they had links to family members. the home office told them they had to ta ke tests. home office told them they had to take tests. the home office is not allowed to order people to take dna tests. that practice was made illegal in 2014 yet the home office has been ordering people to do it. the numbers we have got so far are still sketchy but certainly 398 people, these were people in cases identified in potentialfraudulent applications. about 13 of those were re

sajid javid said some relatives of gurkhas and afghan nationals employed by the uk government were amongan, six years old and learning to read was born in britain and used to have a british passport but the home office would not renew it after his british father who is estranged from his vietnamese mother refused to take a dna test. he has been left stateless. translation: i do not know what will happen in the future. no country and no nationality, you do not know you belong to. it is really upsetting me. it is so confusing. it has now emerge that hundreds of letters like this were sent out in the last three years, requiring immigrants to take dna tests to prove who their father is. a statement, home secretary. in the house of commons, the home secretary apologised for those demands which the home office had no legal right to make. no one should have faced the demands to supply dna evidence and no one should be penalised for not providing it. in particular, i would like to extend my apologies to those gurkhas and afghans that have been affected. it is all further signs of dysfunction at

in the summer the home secretary, sajid javid, decided against awarding officers an increase of 3% —— a working bugatti made entirely of lego. the car, which is unveiled today at the paris auto show, is made of more than a million plastic pieces and weighs one and a half tons. it comes complete with a working engine, also made of lego, which gives it a top speed of 18 miles per—hour. just thinking, does it come with a manual? all those pieces! quite easy to repair though. better you than me. several million pieces. kisluk are watertight than? i am just thinking of the engine. it needs fuel. —— is lego. thinking of the engine. it needs fuel. -- is lego. ithink it is electric. is it? i only caught half the story. shall we get on with the sport? what is a real driver or lego men? the way he controlled the game last night, i haven't seen anything like that at wembley for a long time. he was around in 2009, 2010, winning the champions league. still mesmerising the opposition. i am glad his name begins with them, magnificent, material, mesmerising. —— with the letter m. settle for the grea

the argument was put by sajid javid the home secretary that this would help productivity, and there woulds who would struggle to fill of those empty pause. —— empty posts. immigration, many felt was at the brit brexit. if this plan going to leave some areas, particularly agricultural, hospitality, social care, shorter people to do the it is important we listen to the advice we have received from the committee, and they make the case that high skilled immigration has a very positive benefit to our economy, and it is right that we keep our doors open to ensure that we attract those highly skilled migrants. but in the longer term, those low skilled migration, the contribution from them, is less positive, does not have the same economic benefits, and i think you have right to say that the vote in 2016 demonstrated that the public wanted to see change in this area. they wanted us to take back control, and we are setting out a way in which we can have an immigration syste m which we can have an immigration system that delivers for the uk, and ei'isui'es system that delivers for the uk, and ensu

i think the worrying thing when sajid javid announced last year he said his intention was to make grounde service charge. it wouldn't be ten quid. there are all sorts of things, people will buy them, it's a needless revenue stream. we are concerned the announcements and consultation seem to water down vote was promised last year before we get there. is that fair? not at all, the government is taking action, capped energy prices when they were too high. were not talking about energy prices, were talking ground rents. you need to make sure you avoid unintended consequences, the government has seen as a problem that will act. it was going to get rid of ground rents. that's not true. we said we'd get rid of them com pletely true. we said we'd get rid of them completely on houses and peppercorn on flats and apartments because there is a common interest issue on apartments, you can simply ban ground rents, it wouldn't be advisable in my view, it's right to limit them to a level that effectively nothing. we've been told so effectively nothing. we've been told so many times as campaigners are ju