many identify a salafi and they are about getting it right in getting the practices of islam right.some of these are theologic resentments and sociological resentments that go back generations between these two subcultures that they think that nation even after 751 elijah muhammad dies, a religious walk that is about instrumental icing religion for the purpose of politics that is essentially blasphemy. so the dominant muslim mode of muslims at graterford is much more contextual doctrinaire faking out what the right answers are trying to execute your practices according to the right doctrine and baraka is this kind of -- he's different. i start the book with three aphorisms and baraka's aphorism is god created the world and said have added, fellows. >> host: absolutely. if baraka is the foil to any narrow notion of men in prison attempting to be good to men who are charged in theory with overseeing that good, you don't just tell the story but you tell the story of correctional officers. tell us about these men who are charged with overseeing the interpretation of good or rehabilitati

salafi, it was the most popular organization in egypt. they had a plan. the party would draw on the support of the organization but it would be completely separate. if things took a turn for the worse, it could simply be jettisoned and at no cost to the original religious organization. if you look at the next two years, you see a lot of close calls where people almost rescued themselves from medicaments or fall victim to very tragic circumstances. when the freedom of justice party is presented with the question of whether they are going to run presidential candidates, at first the general body of the organization votes against running presidential candidates. it was only after several rounds of voting in which the forces hired the most powerful person in the organization. those forces committed to running a presidential candidate keep calling more rounds of voting and bringing in supporters making sure everybody is there and you get a close vote to run a presidential candidate. that is when the muslim brotherhood's fate was sealed. if they won the electio

him a scholarship that they pay money to study to continue the study of this muslim religion and salafi. you know but i didn't trust it to have the feeling that something was going wrong because i received news from other parents in the western europe not only belgium but also from france and the u.k. that their children were gone for holiday and studying in england and other places in the walls but at the end they received news that they were dead that they were in syria so then i hear the news that all these members of shade of a belgian man not only from shade of a belgian but even from other european countries that are mentioned in syria do you just have just we have to look inside tell us yes you have there we went just syria i know and i'm going to make it fast as you tell us if you want to serious i start to discover every day thousand pictures and videos of syria and one day i recognize my all son in the video with other belgian guys by jim young guys all members of them video is made by the television station. l. and then the. station available i recognised my also on the side

him a scholarship that they pay money to study to continue the study of this muslim religion and salafi. you know but i didn't trust it to have the feeling that something was going wrong you have that wind just cereal i know i'm going to make it fast i tell a science i have a few went to syria i started this cover every day thousand pictures and videos of syria and one day i recognize my all son in the video with other belgian guys so i moved to see that i was in the way i've seen so many cruel things even the one in the fighting group where they kidnapped me that put the cuffs on me i was almost dead and at least i came back to the house because these radical people these leaders this show you know don't give me the opportunity to see my own son if you experience the horrors of war do you think he would want to come back but they may not let him in effect has he been kidnapped. because they. were standing above all these children from the west not only from the west but many of the young guys from all over the walls they are using this young children and all months that they see they s

give him a scholarship that pay money to study to continue the study of this muslim religion and salafi. you know but i didn't trust it i had the feeling that something was going wrong i start to discover every day thousand pictures and videos of syria and one day i recognize my also in the video with other belgian guys so i moved to see that i was in the way of seeing so many cruel things even one in the fighting group and got people like you got me that put the cuffs on me i was almost dead and at least i came back to the bottom but then the hands because these radical people these leaders this show you know they don't give me the opportunity to see my old son this emmis we're standing above all these children from the west not only from the west but many of the young guys from all over the walls they are using this young children. and some other world news in brief now this hour in our world update the military government in egypt has announced it will lay siege to the pro morsi protest camps that have been set up in the capital now these are live pictures coming to you from car at t

the islamic state of syria and which are some people call them salafi groups some people call them jihad as groups what i believe is a little bit of a. towards the muslim people but nevertheless that are drawn from this mill you have individuals that support this hardline interpretation of islam and that have drawn in a number of foreign fighters from around the world libya egypt tunisia afghanistan russia all over who have the same philosophy and they sort of have taken a very critical role and have been called by even the united states is the most effective fighting force and in june we heard obama say that we are viciously declaring arm the rebels of course we know that by proxy they've been armed by the us for a long long time what does that mean i mean what stage is the armenian right now can you give us a little sense of what that actually entails and certainly well the united states they're trying to sort of keep a wrap on it but what they have been saying when they said they're officially arming the rebels is that they were sending a large amount of quote unquote small arms rifle

give him a scholarship that pay money to study to continue the study of this muslim religion and salafi. you know but i didn't trust it to have the feeling that something was going wrong i start to discover every day thousand pictures and videos of syria and one day i recognize my own son in the video with other belgian guys this am is we're standing above all these children from the west not only from the west but many of the young guys from all over the walls they are using this young children new legislation in russia will empower authorities to shut down web sites carrying illegal video content on copyright holders who welcomed the news but the online changes caused fury offline activists took to the streets of moscow to vent their anger at the law they fear could lead to censorship. takes a closer look for us. despite that statistics on the internet piracy in russia have improved greatly over the last decade dropping from ninety three percent in two thousand and one to a little more than sixty percent last year still it poses a huge problem for the country it is rated in top five w

arguably the most popular salafi organization in egypt.they had a plan which was that the knower party which on the support of the salafi organization but it would be completely separate and things took a turn for the worse like let's say a military coup it could be jettisoned and at no cost to the original religious organization. what is interestiinteresti ng is if you look over the next two years to see a lot of close calls where things, where people almost rescue themselves from predicaments or fall victim to sometimes very tragic circumstances. so when the freedom and justice party or when the muslim brotherhood is presented with the question of whether they are going to run as presidential candidates, at first the general body of the organization votes against running a presidential candidate. it was only after several rounds of voting in which the forces in question will be the most powerful person in the organizatorganizat ion is only when those forces committed to running a presidential candidate keep calling for more rounds of vot

the political manifestation of the al salafi organization. the most popular salafi organization.hey had a organization that they would draw on the support of the salafi organizations. but it would be completely separate. if things took a turn furp the worse, like let's say military coup it could be at no cost to the original religious organization. now what is very interesting if you look over the next two years, you see a lot of close calls. fall victim to sometimes very tragic circumstance. when the freedom of justice party when the muslim brotherhood is presented with a question of whether they are going to run presidential candidate, the -- at first, the general body of the organization votes against running presidential candidate. it was only after several rounds of voting in which the forces who was unquestionably the most powerful person in the organization. it's only when those forces who really committed to running a presidential candidate e -- keep calling more rounds of voting and wringing in supporters to make sure everybody is there to pass a vote. especially in thei

just as the salafis who are far more extreme than the muslim brothers are playing some ball with the government, i think there have to be pragmatists out there who see that egypt, you know, egypt's survival is an important thing for them. it's the largest arab country on the planet. 90 million people live there. it's very important how this comes out. and though we have diminished leverage, it is certainly true we still have some leverage and i'm very relieved that the obama administration does have brain cells on this problem. >> jane, if i can take you back over to syria. the president talked about a red line that should not be crossed. >> yes. >> with this chemical weapon allegation, might they have crossed the red line? and what does that force the president having drawn the line to do at this time? >> well, i think probably that red line has already been crossed, and i think rolling back the videotape, it might not have been the wisest thing to say there was a red line especially because the opposition is becoming increasingly fragmented and there is enormous infiltration by al

with the kind of strong correlation between the men in the identify as salafis, coming from the north and west and the men who are identified as coming out of the south. as i said, that recapitulates according to them the logic of a culture, but if i didn't know you on the outside i'm not going to get to know you now. so it reserves what you call the ecology of philadelphia. >> host: and maybe, perhaps what stands as the definitive moment before and after in the entire book in which he narrates on one hand the rise of crack and the rise of the explosion of mass incarceration, expansion of religious freedoms which we just talked about, so many of the men narrate their story before and after the raid. why does this rate matter so much? not just for your story but these men's lives. >> guest: thank you so much. because what i fear, what i fear in the day-to-day, of engaging in the day-to-day, is that you could lose the contingency and the artificiality of the day-to-day come and that the world you find at graterford is one of many. and i think without dispute is not the best of all possi

dollar area and some in the dark province and some are around damascus that are not to islamist our to salafisor whatever. but it's hard to really put your hand on it and say this is the unit that is moderate and pro-western or u.s. or whatever, or you are not against us, it's also effective. that's what u.s. intelligence community and other intelligence communities would have to do their homework to say this is a group that's ideologically okay, but also it's an effective combat you know, or could be made to be one. >> well, i think you will agree with me that our speakers they were both moderate and effective. and i would like to thank them for their efforts, and thank you for coming. >> [inaudible conversations] .. had met him before. it is unbelievable how much he knew, he had been to so many district over the years as one of the republican leaders of the house but basically was asking us how bad is this? we were saying it is pretty bad. that is fun when you do that or talked to various caucuses on both sides and get a glimpse of the inside of the players. >> with 30 years as a political a

he saw a lot of hope in the salafi trends in the brotherhood the people were attacking their way acrosshat's something discounted wrongly by american analysts. >> is it also fair to say that i think it was james clapper who talked about the muslim brotherhood is suggesting they find violence repungent as opposed to tactically they don't see it as useful at this particular moment. would you agree that has been a confusion of the intelligence community? the idea of because you are not participating in violence today means you have renounced violence on a basis of principle. >> that's where the story gets more complicated. it goes country by country. suicide bombing campaign in 1990s. they didn't renounce violence. you look at the senior shake. you can go through a whole list. they have brotherhood figure. there are big supporters of al qaeda. he was a big supporter of bin laden. >> that's right. and regarded being the shake on al al jazeera, arabic, and does not renounce violence. >> but that said, i think it is significant that you have to take in to account the evolution of the muslim b