. >> and so i and my coauthor, a guy named reihan salam -- >> right >> -- talked a lot about sort of what it would mean to have a kind of pro-family conservative economic, sort of ideas in that vein, basically. >> right. >> and what happened to the republicans after we wrote the book was pretty much the opposite, that the party after george w. bush looked at the bush presidency and said, well, what went wrong under bush was that we became too much of a big government party, that we betrayed the true small government faith. >> right. >> and so the whole party swung in a much more sort of libertarian direction on economics. >> and it's not still there now as we sit here? >> well, what's happened in the last six months, again, this is a -- it's all very provisional, but a bunch of people in washington, d.c., at least, figures like marco rubio, who might just possibly be running for president next time around. >> yeah. >> mike lee, the senator from utah, some other figures like that, rob portman to some extent -- >> uh-huh >> -- have begun making speeches that essentially talk about econ