. >> tell me about salameh.he relationship is crucial to the book. >> these are men who are complete opposites. ames was the son of a steelworker from philadelphia. not blue blood. not boston brahman. not yale, skull and bones. not the stereotype you have of a cia officer. he was the son of a steelworker from philadelphia. an all-american basketball player. 6'3", handsome, hazel blue eyes, blonde, and strikingly handsome. he favored cowboy boots and aviator glasses, tinted. just walking down the streets of beirut or aden, he stuck out like an american. he was a good husband, a good father to his six children. he would have a drink occasionally, but he did not like to drink. he got criticized by his own colleagues in the cia, who said, if you don't drink alcohol, how can you recruit agents? but salameh was the exact opposite. >> also ames, in the beginning of his career, there was some argument against him, because they said, he is too intellectual. >> exactly. he came from la salle college, not harvard or yale o

. >> salameh was a bad guy, too. in his belt.pistol ames occasionally had to do that, that he hated guns. he was no james bond, that sort of stereotype. , andalameh carried a gun he was involved with black september. >> when did you develop a relationship with mrs. ames? got onto the reasons i this story was that as a young , 11, 12, i was a boy next-doorwas ames's neighbor. my father was a foreign service officer, and this is where ames had his first posting abroad, saudi arabia. he was our next or neighbor on this very small, windswept desert compound. i have memories of him and his lovely blue-eyed, blonde wife. him, that hisbout -- what did you say? the point was to influence the course of history and make a better world. he wanted his covert intelligence to persuade the policymakers to make good decisions. but by the summer of 1978, he felt that american policy in the middle east had run into a dead end. >> he became very frustrated. as is actually a typical story, as i have learned from the sort of clandestine