well, that's even — i'm talking about primary school and, you know, salford grammar school was, of courseall the school plays and did art and all that stuff. because, obviously we were middle class, my old man being a doctor, i went to the local schools, local primary school, working class kids, 90—odd percent, salford grammar school, very much the same. and so, i kind of had a very broad sense of society, i suppose, of community and character, but character is what it's been all about, from the word go, just observing people. so, it's a sort of a cultured upbringing, to an extent. was your creative, your own personal creativity, encouraged by your parents? well, that's a very interesting question. i mean, it would be very difficult not to say that, in many respects, my folks weren't philistines, because they kind of were. there's culture and there's culture. i mean, they used to — they actually, at times, went to stratford and they went to the halle, so you could say there were cultural. on the other hand, anything that was, in inverted commas, arty, or what we would identify as avant—ga