this is my idea of a salisbury steak. i used to be a huge fan of salisbury steak when i was a kid. nothing wrong with that. but there's always the chop steak. salisbury steak. all that. it's all hamburger. and -- >> right on the grill like that. >> right on the grill. >> how long do you keep them there? >> the turkey burger will take four to six minutes on each side. if you want to be extremely cautious and safe, you need to know, check it with a thermometer. 160 degrees when it's done. and you can take it out. >> okay. >> all right. >> we have that all set. >> yes. now, we're going to make the sauce. the sauce is -- you can just leave it all there. >> and, sam, george, if you can keep an eye on the grill, please. >> okay. >> they're serving. >> we're trying it right here. we'll come back. >> just to make sure it's really juicy, and we're not going to overcook it. so, it won't be dry. to make sure it's really juicy. and i want to have a salisbury steak effect, i'm making a sauce. how do you make a low-fat sauce? i'm starting with evaporated skim milk. i put some cornstarch in there

host: dave on the republican line, salisbury, maryland. caller: it is interesting that they are talking about another bail out. the stimulus package under obama has yet to produce any results. my wife is a teacher here in maryland and she says they still have not used some of the things that were given to their school district, some computers, things like that. another $26 billion -- host: whose fault is it, according to your wife, but the stimulus has not been used? local officials, state government, federal government? guest: for example, some of the things that are using for only certain types of students, less than average students, whereas the hire students that are excelling are not allowed to use some of the products, so they get -- are in the back room and don't do what they are supposed to do. bailey more teachers out is basically adding more blocks in place. the better way to go about it, like last couple of callers said, may be cut back on some of the teachers, we about the wisdom of teachers and those having failing classes, ge

lee hammond of salisbury, maryland. he was recently elected aarp board of directors to serve as president for the 2010-2012 biennium. since his election to the board in 2002, he has served on insured several aarp committees -- served on and chaired several aarp committees. he served as a school administrator for 25 years and has the leadership roles in several professional associations. in addition to his service with aarp, he serves as a member of the maryland interagency committee on aging services and is vice chair of the board of mac inc., a non-profit area agency on aging serving four marilyn counties. -- four maryland counties. he earlier was a volunteer -- his earlier volunteer service included a two-year member of the maryland commission on aging. second witness will be bob blancato. he is president of a full- forice firm wants to shif-- on strategic consultant and college and management. he is the national corp coordinator of the national justice commission. from 2000 to 2006 he was president of the national co

host: dave on the republican line, salisbury, maryland. caller: it is interesting that they are talking about another bail out. the stimulus package under obama has yet to produce any results. my wife is a teacher here in maryland and she says they still have not used some of the things that were given to their school district, some computers, things like that. another $26 billion -- host: whose fault is it, according to your wife, but the stimulus has not been used? local officials, state government, federal government? guest: for example, some of the things that are using for only certain types of students, less than average students, whereas the hire students that are excelling are not allowed to use some of the products, so they get -- are in the back room and don't do what they are supposed to do. bailey more teachers out is basically adding more blocks in place. the better way to go about it, like last couple of callers said, may be cut back on some of the teachers, we about the wisdom of teachers and those having failing classes, ge