one salisbury is the best place to live.people were going there and people died. it is now voted one of the best places to live —— business slumped. a lovely cathedral. useful precincts. person died. a person died. thankfully, charlie rose survive. but business is returning to normal. the cloisters. i visited his home there. a lovely place. i am ashamed to say, salisbury, i have never been. now you have no excuse. and dundeeis been. now you have no excuse. and dundee is the best place to live in scotland. i think that is marvellous. excellent transport links, according to the sunday times. you are talking about salisbury, we're talking about dundee. keep up. finally, back to the sunday telegraph, picture on the front... laughter. she is so rude. i am sure dundee is lovely. the radio times whole of fame. this is dame helen mirren. when we actually looked this up in the break, all we found so far as adverts for hair transplants in turkey, 19 haircuts for older women, and life insurance. i don't think this hall of fame exists.

it is salisbury plain, it could be south sudan. it's an exercise to show that soldiers are now involved in everything from helping victims of rape to child sexual exploitation. was a new approach needed? a new approach is needed because there is not a one result fits all so you have to look at developing issues and develop the response and a lot of these issues are very sensitive to the gender and sexual base violence, and you need a more sensitive approach to that. call it hearts and minds of the 21st century. today a new centre of excellence was announced to train armed forces in what it now calls human security. it is notjust about when you go into a conflict zone, about securing the military objectives in terms of land or territory, it is about looking after the population, civilians in that area and that is the only way you can bring security. it has not been decided yet where this new centre will be based in britain but it is believed to be the first of its kind anywhere in the world and will start with a budget of £2 million

salisbury, the best place to live.t been nerve agent attack and that the city has onlyjust been declared com pletely has onlyjust been declared completely decontaminated. this is our best places to live guide which we do every year. it is a lwa ys guide which we do every year. it is always great fun, it is notjust the best place to live, but we divide the country to live and we find the best place to live in wales and scotla nd best place to live in wales and scotland and so on. really lovely, it isa scotland and so on. really lovely, it is a lovely magazine, it is a huge talking point for us. it is chosen, a lot of people say, why salisbury? especially a year after the novichok scandal. it is because they looked at a lot of things, air quality, crime, house prices, transport links, and this year... but not nerve agent attacks. they went to interview people who lived in different places and ask them, that extra touch of class. salisbury did really well on all the fronts. it isa did really well on all the fronts. it is

he lived in salisbury and he found what he thought was a bottom of —— bottle of perfume in the street dawn sturgess. the bottle contained the deadly nerve agent, the same batch they think was used to poison the russians by sergei skripal and his daughter. tone sprayed the perfume over herself and she died. charlie got some on his hands but he washed it off immediately —— dawn sprayed the perfume over herself. he was in a coma, contracted meningitis, suffered strokes. he is now fitted with a pacemaker. his eyesight is deteriorating. unsurprisingly, he says he suffers from anxiety and depression. because of what happened. extraordinary, really, that he has gone to meet the russian ambassador in london. straightaway, britain said it thought russia was behind the novichok poisonings and named two russian intelligence agencies behind it. charlie went to the embassy in london and he said he wa nted the embassy in london and he said he wanted to ask him about his girlfriend's death, why did you kill my girlfriend? he said the russian ambassador said, russia cannot be behind it because if it

charlie rowley, who survived last year's novichok poisonings in salisbury, which killed his partner dawnh the russian ambassador in london. after the meeting, which was set up by the sunday mirror newspaper, mr rowley said he "didn't really get any answers" from the ambassador, who told him russia wasn't behind the attack. scotland yard and the crown prosecution service have said they have enough evidence to charge two russian men linked with the country's intelligence services. three of the uk's children's commissioners have asked the united nations torture committee to investigate the use of physical restraint and seclusion in uk schools. government guidelines say teachers can use "reasonable force" to control children, but campaigners say restraint is often being used inappropriately. the government says it has consulted on reducing restraint, and will announce its next steps soon. palestinian leaders have reacted with anger to a threat by israel to annexjewish with anger to a threat by israel to annex jewish settlements with anger to a threat by israel to annexjewish settlements in t

russian spy in salisbury last year. ms sturgess later died. simonjones reports.d at the embassy with one key question for the russian ambassador, did your country kill my partner? a meeting set up by a newspaper ten months after the death of his partner. she died after coming into contact with a perfume bottle filled with novichok. it was the same nerve agent used in the attack in salisbury on a former russian spy. scotland yard said there is sufficient evidence to charge two russians seen on cctv in salisbury, with conspiracy to murder. the ambassador insisted he was a prepared to answer questions from a charlie rowley and his brothers, but claimed again that russia was not behind the attack. he said that if it had been rushing novichok then it russian novichok then it would have killed far more people. translation: became a bequest to know what was happening, theyjust wa nt to know what was happening, theyjust want to know the truth. russian may have seen this meeting as a coup anywhere of words between moscow and london, but despite the smiles charlie rowley s

charlie rowley, poisoned in last year's suspected russian chemical attack in salisbury, meets russia's ambassador in london to question him about who was responsible. commemorations take place in rwanda to mark 25 years since the genocide in which about a tenth of the population was killed. a new boat race record — olympic champion james cracknell will become the oldest person ever to row in the annual oxford v cambridge clash this afternoon. kensington palace reveals that prince william has just finished a three—week stint secretly working with the uk's intelligence agencies. and fears of a major military confrontation in libya just one of the stories discussed in dateline london with carrie gracie, coming up in half an hour here on bbc news. good morning. the government has defended the decision to seek labour's help in delivering brexit, warning that it could "slip through our fingers" u nless could "slip through our fingers" unless a compromise deal is reached. in a statement, theresa may — seen here attending church this morning — said both labour and the conservatives wanted to p

salisbury was only declared as decontaminated from novichok last month.ng more than 80 hours on a see—saw? 80 seconds would be enough for some people. for two men from berkshire — that's exactly what they're doing this weekend. michaeljones and richard march are attempting to break a world record, as matt graveling reports. four days, two men, one seesaw. well, we've onlyjust met but he seems like quite a good guy. i think we've got kids who are a similar age. a similar stage in our lives, so i'm sure we'll have plenty to talk about. and both taking a break. on a seesaw to take a break from multiple children, it'll be fine! 0k, you're off. cheering. this world record attempt is 50 years in the making, the brainchild of david turner. in 1969 he and friend david marsh stayed on a seesaw continuously for four days. i think we both struggled to stand up when we finished. we didn't get off the seesaw for three and a half days. no. that was the worst. now david's son—in—law michael and counterweight mate richard hope to beat the record. thankfully, there is a t

salisbury was only declared as decontaminated from novichok last month.xperience a different kind of flower this spring, thanks to a new exhibition by the american artist, dale chihuly. 32 sculptures have been installed around the gardens. our reporter wendy hurrell went to take a look, and to hearfrom the man who designed them. well, i love greenhouses, you know — and how can you not love kew? it's just the most extraordinary, with some 300 acres with all these greenhouses. it is notjust under glass that you'll find all these reflections of nature. the cherry blossoms are out at kew gardens. poking up out of the grass, not only tulips, but these amazing glass sculptures. this is just one of 32 installations across the gardens that are going to be here until the end of october. it's the work of artist dale chihuly, based in seattle. thousands of these pieces of glass have been carefully shipped over here and displayed for us all to see. sapphire star glints in the spring light. summer sun is framed by the lake and palm house. icicle tower alone is made of

scotland yard says there is sufficient evidence to charge two russians, captured on cctv in salisburyanswer questions from charlie rowley and his brother but claimed once again russia was not behind the attack. reportedly saying if it had been russian novichok, it would have killed far more people. translation: they came with a request to know what is really happening. people just want to know the truth. they were not anti—russian. but charlie rowley said afterwards... russia may have seen this meeting as a coup in the war of words between moscow and london, but despite the smiles, charlie rowley left saying he still thought russia had carried out the attack. simon jones, bbc news. here in london, kensington palace has revealed that prince wayne has been spending the past series warning about this work of the intelligent agencies. he has been working... ..at m15, m16 and gcho and described his experiences as "humbling." gchq's head of counter—terrorism said the duke worked expectionally hard to embed himself with the teams he observed. > all of the sport now. we begin with football ne

charlie rowley, who survived another choc poisoning is in salisbury last year which killed his partner survived the novichok poisoning. after the meeting, which was set up by the sunday mirror newspaper, mr rowley said he "didn't really get any answers" from the ambassador, who told him russia wasn't behind the attack. scotland yard and the crown prosecution service have said they have enough evidence to charge two russian men linked with the country's intelligence services. charlie rowley and his brother matthew spoke to the sunday mirror after their meeting with the ambassador. we can talk to our news correspondent simonjones been following this story. what was he trying to achieve? it was an extraordinary meeting when you consider it, charlie rowley going to the russian embassy in london, lots of smiles in front of the cameras, he took his brother along with him. it was a closed meeting which went on about 90 minutes. but ultimately charlie rowley was asking the russian ambassador, was russia responsible for killing his girlfriend? quite a thing to set out on. not really something y

one of the people poisoned in last year's suppose alleged russian chemical attack in salisbury has metnow, it's time to look back at the week in westminster.

the sunday mirror has an interesting story following the novichok salisbury poisoning.victims of it, an extraordinary meeting where he got this 90 minute meeting with russia's ambassador to london, and he basically asked, as the sunday mirror puts it, did your country kill my girlfriend, dawn sturgess? it isa kill my girlfriend, dawn sturgess? it is a remarkable story and it is ha rd to it is a remarkable story and it is hard to believe that was only a year ago with everything else that has happened. he does say in the piece that the meeting left many questions u na nswered that the meeting left many questions unanswered for him. i think that reflects the fact that we haven't really moved forward. the russian ambassador, as are to be expected, maintains that the russians were not involved in this. he said that if it was a russian novichok attack, it would have killed everyone and nobody would have been alive. that seems to be hisjustification, his logic. great defence by the russian ambassador. if it was us, we would have killed more people! good on the sunday mirror fo

it is also interesting is he particularly think about salisbury and the nova choc attack and the attemptedssian spy' attempted murder of a former russian spy, sergei skripal and attempted murder of a former russian spy, sergei skripaland his attempted murder of a former russian spy, sergei skripal and his daughter yulia skripal. whether on purpose or not. —— novichok. he talks about being more savvy about where people exploit our open society and economy. they want to make it much easier to actually expel people who are here from china, russia and other countries, on legitimate visas but who it turns out i hear in fact as intelligence officers. you mentioned qua way. it's on the sunday telegraph. "ignore spy fears over huawei", says china. there was something within the security council meeting that we will be giving china, quote unquote a loaded gun. they were people opposed to them getting the contract to work with 56. it is apparently going to go ahead. the chinese ambassador is saying relaxed, guys, relax. we look on britain as an open society where there is an open society for everybo

charlie rowley, poisoned in last year's suspected russian chemical attack in salisbury, has met russia'sr in london to question him about who was responsible. commemorations take place in rwanda to mark 25 years since the genocide in which about a tenth of the population was killed. kensington palace reveals that prince william has just finished a three—week stint secretly working with the uk's intelligence agencies. good morning. —— good afternoon. the government has defended the decision to seek labour's help in delivering brexit, warning that it could "slip through ourfingers" unless a compromise deal is reached. in a statement, theresa may — seen here attending church this morning — said both labour and the conservatives wanted to protect jobs and end free movement, something which she described as "the basis for a compromise". today, the leader of the house of commons andrea leadsom has said that it is important to compromise as long as we actually end up leaving the eu. she said that "through gritted teeth" the government are going to have to listen to the labour leadership. workin

charlie rowley, one of the people poisoned in last year's suspected russian chemical attack in salisburyia's ambassador in london to question him about the incident. commemorations take place in rwanda to mark 25 years since the genocide in which about a tenth of the population was killed. kensington palace reveals that prince william has just finished a three—week stint secretly working with the uk's intelligence agencies. now the travel show is in tokyo as the city counts down to hosting the 2020 paralympics. i'm paul carter, i'm a journalist and i have come here to tokyo to experience its culture, its sights and smells. like a lego cityscape, it doesn't look real. it's much bigger than i was expecting. a lot more, for want of a better word, gold. i have come as any other western tourist could come and do, but i have also come here as a disabled person, to experience all of those things through the eyes of someone who might have some difficulties getting over some of those problems, getting around. ifeel like i'm... ifeel like i'm done for the day already and i haven't even got anywher

area to ,richmondhrough salisbury, maryland. here's how it will impact travel. airports, especially charlotte to raleigh durham airport, then in the northeast, with those thunderstorms, significant delays are possible and maybe some cancellations. y>> bill, thank so much. >>> after initially praising the mueller report, president trump is now working to discredit the special counsel's findings. the white house has vowed to stonewall any democratic investigations, and now in a new interview, mr. trump took aim at robert mueller himself. >> it was leekike one-sided wit hunt as i called it, and, you know, bob mueller -- i turned him down to run the fbi. the next day he was appointed to be the head of thi -- this special counsel. >> meanwhile, deputyne attorney gel rod rosenstein is hitting back against his critics over the doj's handling of the russia investigation. and he'st pinning par of the blame on the obama administration. >> some critical decisions about that russia investigation were made before i got there. the previous administration chose not to publiciz

charlie rowley, poisoned in last year's suspected russian chemical attack in salisbury, has met russia's

few months after the poisoning of russian double agents ok script and his daughter in the city of salisbury march twenty eighth in both survived though mr scobell has not been seen in public since ukase blamed moscow for both incidents russia though claims no evidence has been produced and the flatly denied any involvement political analyst alessandro bruno believes the media's failed in its reporting of the case. the british media is sort of mild for the most part completely going along with the official narrative after all crawly is just another victim in the disinformation that this case involves the british prime minister within less than twenty four hours from the poisoning which was unclear they had all the answers who did what they did and there were the we don't know what the police investigation is this is this requires a real police investigation the biggest role in the whole affair to me that's caused by the building cat website that claims to use open source whatever that is information techniques to find out what's going on from ukraine to discrete parts of the u.k.'s mirror ne

months after the poisoning of russian double agent sergei screwball and his daughter in the city of salisbury in march two thousand and eighteen both survived though mr screwball has not been seen in public since u.k. has blamed moscow for both incidents russia however claims no evidence has been produced and has flatly denied any involvement. of the u.k.'s mirror newspaper published an article on sunday about the meeting with the russian ambassador the paper says mr rowley asked the ambassador why did your country kill my girlfriend and receive only russian propaganda in response moscow's envoy says however that he and mr rowley found some common ground and that the nova child victim wanted to hear russia's position on the case we asked two political analysts for their views on the case and the way it has been presented by the mir. the thing here is we have to rely on the. newspaper and their account there was a video posted along with the story so in the video we see first the ambassador then we see charlie rally and his brother and it's limited it's only about two and a half to three minut

has accused russia of carrying out both poisonings in salisbury and amesbury they did so right off the bat before an investigation had even taken place still no evidence has been produced surely they would have shown their proof by now if they had it right. well you would think so but of course they can always claim that the proof is top secret and that they need to use it strategically at the right moment well. i along with many other people are waiting now that said i have to be clear i don't know who this is i don't know who poisoned. or crowley girlfriend called himself. i just been reading and following and using my own skepticism and. history to to discern that a lot much more is going on behind the scenes here. and much we before we launch any accusations that the suitcase has to be. sought by a police. unit rather than stories of secret agents after all notice all the secret agent paraphernalia that's been thrown around in case we have the g.r.u. . of all these acronyms the media will like it because the audience laps it up and makes it sound much more official. but then you ha

that's the question you're right right as you said initially it was reported that trump regarded the salisbury poisonings absolute quote legitimate spy games between russia and the u.k. but i've been hassling other side of the room as reported were pushing trying to take the stronger option as you said of expelling these diplomats but. and so these photos are brought out by housefull trump fixates on the pictures what's weird is that according to officials the new york times spoke to the outcome was an example as they put it of of housefull being one of the few people who get mr trump to shift position based on new information first of the first thing to look at in all of that is that. she's. on the one hand the new york times is bragging that the cia chief is now using the spy craft using the skills that she learned as as an active officer as a field agent and bringing them into that there are literally rules about that. you know those in the cia who are in these things anybody who works in the spy area or in covert operations knows that one of the things when you get out is that you're not s

poisoned in last yea r‘s of the people poisoned in last year's suspected chemical attack by russia in salisburys met russian‘s ambassador in london to question him about what happened. victoria derbyshire takes a look back at some of the highlights from her programme this week. hello, welcome to the programme, over the next half hour we will bring you exclusive and original journalism we have broadcast over the last week. we are powerless and have to sit back and watch her suffer, it is torture for her, and for us. those are the words ofjudy haynes, her grand daughter, aila, has learning difficulties, and has been held in secure units, known as atus for seven years, in her desperation, she swallowed a toothbrush, which is still inside her. four years ago, the government and nhs england said they would close at least 35% of the places at by atus the end of march this year. and provide alternative care in the community instead. department of health have mist their own deadlines and now pushed it back. our reporter, phillips, has been to meet the parents of young people living in atus. she is my o

one of the people poisoned in last year's suppose alleged russian chemical attack in salisbury has methe russian ambassador to london to question him about the incident. now, it's time to look back at the week in westminster. hello and welcome to the week in parliament, as parliament takes back control. the ayes to the right, 313. the noes to the left, 312. it's all kicking off in the house of lords. sit down. i must remind of the noble lord that he's not in the house of commons. and, what can mps do when people won't talk to them? people often cite the ancient powers of the house to lock people up in a prison under big ben or lock people up here, and those powers do technically still exist. but first, another date or two for your diary as theresa may asks for another brexit extension. this time until the end ofjune. her request follows and another week of political drama here at westminster, one that began with an unusual apology from a conservative mp who had voted for the prime minister's brexit plan. although doing what i believe to be in the country's best interests, at that momen

scotland yard says there is sufficient evidence to charge two russians captured on cctv in salisburyns from charlie rowley and his brother but claimed once again russia was not behind the attack. so, this is the story. reportedly saying, if it had been russian novichok, it would have killed far more people. translation: they came with a request to know what is really happening. people just want to know the truth. they were not anti—russian. but charlie rowley said afterwards, "i didn't really get any answers, ijust got russian propaganda. i liked the ambassador but i thought some of what he said, trying to justify russia not being responsible, was ridiculous." russia may have seen the meeting here in london with images of the ambassador intently listening to the concerns of charlie rowley as a bit of a coup in what has been a bitter battle of words between moscow and london. charlie rowley left here saying he still believed russia had carried out the attack. and despite the pleasantries, he fears his health will be affected for the rest of his life. simon jones, bbc news. with all th

scotland yard says there is sufficient evidence to charge two russians, captured on cctv in salisburynd the attack. reportedly saying if it had been russian novichok, it would have killed far more people. translation: they came with a request to know what is really happening. people just want to know the truth. they were not anti—russian. but charlie rowley said afterwards... russia may have seen this meeting as a coup in the war of words between moscow and london, but despite the smiles, charlie rowley left saying he still thought russia had carried out the attack. simon jones, bbc news. now it's time for a look at the weather with sarah keith—lucas. good evening. there was a bit of sunshine around on sunday particularly in the west and south—west but for the rest of the country it was a pretty great story. —— grey story. we have a lot of cloud and drizzle in the north and north east. this was a picture taken in york earlier in the day. now, as we move through the rest of this evening and overnight, we keep a fairly cloudy picture for many places. particularly cloudy in the south eas

charlie rowley, who survived the poisoning in salisbury which killed his partner dawn sturgess, has metambassador in london. after the meeting, which was set up by the sunday mirror newspaper, mr rowley said he "didn't really get any answers" from the ambassador, who told him russia wasn't behind the attack. scotland yard and the crown prosecution service have said they have enough evidence to charge two russian men linked with the country's intelligence services. charlie rowley and his brother matthew spoke to the sunday mirror after their meeting with the ambassador. he is saying they don't produce it in russia any more. he kind of kicked around the answers. the czech republic and america are the ones that are producing at. and did he deny all knowledge about russia's involvement? yes. did hejust say...? well, involvement? yes. did hejust say. . . ? well, that to involvement? yes. did hejust say...? well, that to his involvement? yes. did hejust say. . . ? well, that to his knowledge, he didn't know much about it, it was just what he was able to read in the papers. labour has defended

you want to thank the building department what i consider an outstanding job on the salisbury programss about preserving affordable housing and we do seem to fire risk collapsed buildings. i want to point out robert chung and the staff has done a great job. i want to make suggestion that we clarify the engineer's role or structure observation. i think some of the engineers don't understand their responsibility on structural observation requirement which is part of the requirement for this code. clarifying his role would improve the service. because of this discussion, you want to point out this ordinance coming your way, should be aware of that. it will be helpful to get report on s.a.c. they are doing a fantastic job on that program. there is a discussion of another program. that's coming from th the boardf supervisors. it's looking for cracked wells and in earthquake buildings. this issue is being discussed. you guys should be ahead of that issue. then, do i want to compliment on the fact that they're doing a great job. whoever is working on this. thank you. eneed to get this resolv

when we suffered the chemical weapons attack on the streets of salisbury in this country, this government stood up against the perpetrators. the right honorable gentleman said he referred to believe in our own security agencies. >> jonathan edwards. >> the bridge government in westminster which is completely dysfunctional and this morning the office lost its fourth minister in a year. who could possibly say the register works for wales. >> look at the funding made available to wales from the westminster government, he talks about the government of wales. there are indeed issues where focusing on. let's look at the national health service in wales under labor government pointing in that direction. absolutely they point in that direction. that is what we see with labor and office, national health service committed its target for over a decade. >> polling that has just been published, 58% of the british public expressed a wish to have a final say on the brexit process. does the prime minister acknowledge with the ongoing impasse in westminster around brexit and despite her best endeavors and

we have seen the use of nerve agent against kingdom in salisbury and seen, of course, support for thes regime. >> bret: some of the member countries there has to be fear of aggression or future aggression. how do you counter that? >> by standing together and delivering what we call strong deterrence and strong defense. we are now the strengthening nato. we are the troops in the eastern part of the alliance in the first part of our history. significant increase forces quickly move in if necessary. all of this any potential adversary that nato is willing and able and capable of defending all allies that's the best way not to provoke the country but to protect the country. >> bret: french president macron said europe needs a european army. one, is he right and two how realistic is that? >> we welcome eu efforts of defense but we don't support anything that can be outside of nato framework or undermine the unity. the european efforts is good but it must not compete with you about complement the efforts of nato. >> bret: do you support the deployment of american intermediate range missiles

view, america, it does have a history of trying to get their man and with the russians, and go to salisburythat annoy them. americans, want to put them in jail. surely not an equivalence between the russians and the americans in that respect. no. there is, there‘s a pursuit of vendetta, not just us. no. there is, there‘s a pursuit of vendetta, notjust us. the treatment of chelsea manning and she is in jail because she wouldn‘t testify, she‘s been injailforfour years. this indictment is been around for a while and julian was right, and barack obama while and julian was right, and ba rack obama chose while and julian was right, and barack obama chose not to deliver it however donald trump‘s administration is chosen to. i do think that this is a vendetta, this is really about revenge. it is also being said thatjulian assange and wikileaks had a role in the hacking of e—mails and the 2016 presidential election campaign that they were a useful way for the russians to manipulate the campaign. what do you say to that? i'm not really in a position to say too much about it, julian assange, i‘ve know

the ftc just last week announced a series of settlements with several individuals salisbury commented jones, and the most disheartening aspect of that announcement was that the ftc referred to them as a recidivist robo callers doing this again and again and individuals like that need to be targeted through criminal enforcement. the best way to prevent illegal robo calls is to stop them from ever being made. and put those that are making them behind bars. >> talk about the cost of doing business that is a lot of the violators it is a fine to move on but. criminal penalties is when you draw attention. >> talk about the commitment the framework as stir and shake but that bipartisan trace act will help guide industry on the implementation s can you speak how this will help consumers not receive a spoofed call? >> absolutely. basically the way i like to explain shake and stir obviously it is technologically complex standard. sut the best way to understand it it is effectively the equivalent of a notary public. when you go with a document they don't look at the document they look at the dri

and the salisbury fire department in north carolina with six. in goddard, kansas. seven teachers out of 15 are having babies. eight babies in all. one expecting twins. >> we started off this school year with three of us. then we came back from christmas break and found out about two more. then we came back from spring break and found out about two more. >> reporter: here at oak street they're giving new meaning to the idea a workplace can be a family. their due dates range from late march to early october. the principal says she already has long-term substitutes while the women take maternity leave and hopes for more. >> we joked we need to add on a nursery to this building so we can bring all the babies in, and they would love that. >> reporter: what did the kids ask their teachers about their pregnancies? >> one was, if i sneeze if the baby sneezes. or because i was really sick to start off, so they were asking if i throw up if the baby throws up inside my stomach. >> reporter: with all these babies in the same place, these moms are looking fo

ae ftc last week announced series of settlements with several individuals, andy salisbury, aaron michael jones, james cristiano, and the most disheartening aspect of that announcement was that the ftc referred to them as recidivist robo callers. they are doing this again and again and again. i think individuals like that definitely need to be targeted through criminal enforcement. illegal way to prevent robo calls is to stop them from ever being made. the best way to ensure that is to put the people that are making them behind bars. >> thank you mentioned in your opening about the cost of doing business. i think that is a lot of these violators probably perceive it that way, if they are fined, they will move on. when you bring up criminal penalties, that is when you bring attention. mentioned theu commitment to applying the call authentication program. the bipartisan traced act will help guide industry on the implementation of this much-needed call. can you speak to how implementation of this framework will help consumers not receive spoofed calls? mr. peterson: thank you, mr. chairman.

the ftc just last week announced a series of settlements with several individuals, andy salisbury, erin michael jones, james christy, and the most dishearting aspect of that is they announced them as recidivist robocalls. individuals like that need to be targeted through criminal enforcement. the best way to prevent illegal robocalls is to stop them from ever being made and the best way to ensure that is to put the people that are making them behind bars. >> i think senator you mentioned in your opening about the cost of doing business and i think that's a lot of these violators probably perceive it that way. when you bring up criminal penalties you get their attention. thank you. mr. rupy you mentioned the commitment to the the stir shaken but the framework, can you speak to how implementation of this framework will help consumers not receive spoofed calls. >> thank you, mr. chairman. absolutely. so basically, the way i like to explain the shake and stir standard is as follows: it's obviously a very technologically complex standard. but i think the best way to understand it is it's eff