my guests, professor said gotta here in the studio with me and on skype, salliann burris, and uh, sallian, let me ask you this, uh, can you react to what we heard the israeli ambassador to the uk say earlier, we have seen the dehumanization of palestinians for a long time, uh, calling them human animals and all the rest of it, and now an expression of no sympathy for the palestinians. i i don't understand how human being can stand in front of another human being and show such lack of empathy and sympathy to want you to relate to what they've experienced and not understand what they're pushing out in the world. i it it's one of those things you watch and it just doesn't seem real to you, because clearly she has no empathy, clearly she doesn't even want to understand what... being pushed towards the palestinian and how that damage will go on for generations, that lack of the thought, the kindness, you know, from one human being to another, i didn't see any of... that and all i saw was just justification for acts of violence, i mean as a human being, i, i don't, you know, the uk government d

of biochemistry and currently a visiting professor at the university of derby, uk, and via skype, sallian boris, a director and chair in many non-profit organizations. so anne, advocates. for free speech and fair representation. thank you both for being here. let me start with you say it. um, it is now the second month of the israeli bombardment. let's start things off with your reflections on the sheer death doll and then the bombardment and everything that we have seen over the past few weeks. right, we have a saying in arabic they say, which means. river is safe from punishment misbehaves and this is exactly what israel is doing or has been doing since 1948, they have never been held accountable to anything, and as the saying, if you really are sure not to be punished, you can do anything, and the problem, the second thing is is the support from the weson wallet, as we know it, and the the weakness on the arab side as well. it's the two things together which really making israel, no one, no one can ever think that a country that powerful like israel can do what they have been doing in

that the uk's um pronounced position was not one, yeah um, but let me put this other question to sallian, the aid situation in is simply beyond the pale in the gaza strip. how would you assess things at this point? i think that um, i can't imagine what families and professionals are experiencing while they're trying to support people through this complete bombardment. for me, everything that i've ever watched, all the friends that i have palestinian and their family members, there has been a systematic psychological bombardment that have gone on for decades. i've got friends in palestine who tell me stories about water supplies being allowed to get through, but then when they go to drink them, there's salt in that water, so understanding that you've got a huge environment that wants to support this aid that takes it so far into that zone and then is not allowed to deliver that package, to me is just another bombardment of psychological abuse that must be stripping every single person within palestine of its hope. um and their dreams, i the the governance in the uk understands exactly wha

arab countries they gather together and they could not say a word against israel, let me put that to sallian, so salian, how do you see it, is is the reason behind the kind of action that we see israel commit against the palestinians, rooted in um support from nato nations, chiefly the united states, as well as an impotent arab leadership. um in the region? when you don't say anything, everything is being said, and unfortunately the voices of people in the countries that should have the power to say no to this and should make decisions to stand up and prevent it and not doing anything, and you have to ask yourself what is going on, why are they not taking the words of their people, because on the ground you've got mass demonstrations in many many countries. so the the voices of the people are saying no, but governance is not supporting that, and and i think that the lack of accountability in leadership is one of the strongest reasons for this, and i, i think the people now are, you you push people to a certain level and free will steps in, and i think what we're seeing now, we've had a syste