in studio with me to talk about the meant am and psychological effects of alcohol, psychologist sally groeder. you wanted me to start with, you are the nfl treating commission for substance abuse which is very timely for us to be talking about the right now. tell me how you are helping, what that involves. >> well, when a player gets if trouble with either alcohol or a substance, marijuana, something else that is banned, then they are required to be evaluated and by a treating clinician bhiefl. we see the they need ongoing care and try to give them the best support they need so they can get on the right ood. >> you said you have something called horse sensing. how does that help patients? >> i take people out with a horse. we use the horse as an extra therapist. through working with the body the horse and the person, i teach them how to handle themselves and relax. so they don't need alcohol and drugs to take the edge off. so i help them with depression, anxiety, self esteem and things like that with horses. >> this is work or all ages, couldn't it? >> it's wonderful for adults and adolescent