>> up next, "after words" with guest host, sally gwynn. this week, claimed religious author, karen arm strong, and her book hi pi fields of blood. " she argues the formation of religion involves bloodshed. this program is about an hour. >> karen, hi. i'm so glad that you could join us this morning. i have to say i'm stunned that you managed to put out one of these books. seems like every two years. this is one of the most extraordinary scholarshiply things i have seen. i don't know how you do this bus that not story. i want to talk to you about your book because it is -- it's so definitive about violence and religion. but secondly, your thesis is really interesting. which is that religion may not necessarily be the cause of all violence, and i wondered what prompted you to do this book in the first place. >> guest: just abuse i'm a writer about religion, i keep getting told by taxi drivers, psychiatrists, and teachers, that religion has been the cause of all the major wars in history, and it really jars because it's clear the not true. the

. >> up next, "after words" with guest host, sally gwynn. this week, claimed religious author, karen arm strong, and her book hi pi fields of blood. " she argues the formation of religion involves bloodshed. this program is about an hour. >> karen, hi. i'm so glad that you could join us this morning. i have to say i'm stunned that you managed to put out one of these

real all americans" sally jenkins recounts the carlisle indian ancestral school and its football team which included jim thorpe are also on the list is to surprise finalist s. c. gwynne, "empire of the summer moon" and james wilson's "the earth shall weep" which both ask for the struggle between native americans and european settlers. next congress and coal represents john sugden's biography of the shawnee tribe leader tecumseh followed by kind one, by james donovan. wrapping up the list, the forced removal of the cherokee from their land in "driven west." to see what other books he recommends a visit his website. >> next, naomi klein argues climate change will never be addressed properly into the u.s. gets ri rid of its premarket capital system which she says created and continues to drive the problem today. after her remarks on the book, she discusses th the issue witha panel of them are middle and labor activist. she's introduced by author and environmental list bill mckibben. >> well, thank you much. this is a really important and interesting night and is so good to have a leg it is going in the right spirit. really not just for tonight but for those whole weeken