[laughter] so she's reminding him sally hemingses was there too. [laughter] >> was selling hemingses common knowledge in this time? >> yeah, this was the first great american presidential sex scandal, so when he was in the white house, this was 1804, he had to run for reelection and in 1803 their starts to be the kind of inkling about our president and involved with somebody then there's this journalist named james thompson calendar he was an english radical who had been jefferson's creature. jefferson had been painting to say horrible things about john adams. hermaphrodite that isn't even a woman, this kind of stuff about john adams. but calendar turned on him when he refused to give him a post office, postmaster job, and he was in virginia and he had been collecting dirt on jefferson and so he publishes these things in the virginia federalists' saying our president has this enslaved black mistress, they have children running around monticello who look just like him so this gets the press, and at that point you say all right, what should we do? wha