they don't send isabel, they send sally hemmings so he was not expecting sally hemmings to show up in paris. she was 14 when she got there and 16 when she leaves. he doesn't send for her, the person was supposed to come over and go back. the only thing you can speculate, i suggest this in the book, it would not make sense to send a 15-year-old girl on a ship with a bunch of sailors by herself and -- >> did she run his house in addition? she didn't run monticello? >> no. martha randolph was the most important person in jefferson's wife. without question. a lot of what happened with sally hemmings and her children is influenced by that relationship. that -- love, family, martha is the key in his life. his eldest daughter. >> describe your collaboration. it reads like it was written by a third person. >> which one of us? >> okay. i will get really sentimental. the only thing that rubbed off from jefferson on me because he was a sentimental guy too and say this collaboration has been very important to me because it is an expression of our friendship. that may seem irrelevant to your quest

sally hemmings, for reasons -- we wouldn't be talking about him. we would not be here tonight talking about him. if he had admitted he lived 38 years and had 7 children with an african-american enslaved woman he would never have been on mount rushmore, he would not have been president, he would not have been -- just not possible. and he was all about very much into this notion of legacy. legacy, he thought he was going to live, he wanted to live through the ages. he knew they had done something special in creating the united states of america and he wanted to be remembered for that. the white community would never have accepted him as a hero if he had done that. look what has happened now. look what has happened now. all of the reevaluation of him about his religion and this, it is valid. .. he knew that. he was not a fool. people say whenever jefferson says the people are not ready. he was a for most politicians of his era and he knew his people. . .

sally hemming name in a well, petition to the legislature and him saying this is how much money i'm going to leave her for her to take care of herself. we would've never argued about this question. if you don not, that would have been an admission that everything people have been named was true and he did not want to do that. the most important person in jefferson's life was marked to randolph. this is just my speculation. looking at the facts of what he would have to do. i don't think you would humiliate her like that, to make that admission on his deathbed. the other thing is i don't think jefferson would have thoughtt that it was a proper thing -- i don't think -- he would've thought of this property free 250-year-old woman. even if he could do. he did free people who are older at the time and they did explain how they were going to be taken care of. i don't think he wanted to admit this and i don't think he would've wanted to free a woman, a 53-year-old woman. he had the free area, the daughter because any challenge he had, the two oldest children go off and find people and they don't

consent of the governed and of course he wrote while being attended by a 14-year-old slave, sally hemmings's brother. the contradictions of american democracy were present at that very moment. at that time, the colonies, america was anything but a democracy. the colonists said they rebelled against britain didn't think that much about who could vote. but the rules were pretty fixed. to vote you had to be a white man who owns property, a certain set amount of property, an amount fixed in the middle ages but the revolution began to break that certainty. the idea that you needed the consent of the governed began to take on a life of its own and even during the revolution, there was a debate about this. it was controversial. benjamin franklin let a workingman's revolt in pennsylvania. one of the only times there was an actual in the streets pitchfork wielding mob revolution in the american revolution demanding the right to vote for all men regardless of whether they owned property. franklin said today a man owns a jackass worth $50 and he is entitled to vote. but before the next election the jac

the sons of sally hem, were violinists and the youngest one made his living as a musician, violinistin ohio, and his signature tune is one of jefferson's favorite tunes, a tune called money musk. so, music, the thought, attached you to people. a sentiment -- very important way to have sort of a meeting of the minds, and the meetings of the heart. it was very emotional to him. so this person who is seeing -- contribute described as a distant chilly person but more shy, i would say, because people said after a while he warmed up but music waltz the way of making connections to people. >> it's the model of an ideal conversation that everybody brings something to it, but you have to be well train and you have to play together. it's a vision of democracy. and of course, completely unrealistic, but something that he and his family could practice in his home, and he could imagine for the american people. think of american history as a really good extended jazz riff. for jefferson it would be harmony, civil, it wouldn't rank curious. it would be one beautiful song inch his activities he was

and, of course, he wrote that while being attended to by a slave, a 14 year-old slave boy, bob hemmings, sally hemings brother. and at that time the colonies, america was anything but a democracy. the colonists, the rebuilt against britain, didn't think all that much about who could vote, the rules were pretty fixed. to vote you had to be a white man who owned property, a certain set amount of property, an amount fixed in the middle ages. but the revolution begin to break that certainty. the idea that you need consent from the government begin to take on a life of its own. and even during the revolution more than we realize there was a debate that was controversial. benjamin franklin led a working man's revolt in pennsylvania. what are the only times there was an actual industries pitchfork wielding mob type resolution in the american resolution -- revolution. demanded the right to vote for all meant whether they owned property. franklin said today, a man owns a jackass worth $50 he is entitled to vote. but before the next election the jackass guys. a man loses his right to vote. and for me, w