sally jenkins a great writer and when she talks about athletes they really love the process. it's really about the process, it's not just about winning. and for me, first of all i love people. i love ideas. i love how people talk. i love that since i was a little girl. i love studying how people are. not just what they are saying but how they are, what they are doing. and i love these portraits i make of people. that's what i love to do, i love to wake up and think about it. i don't think i will ever be tired of doing it. that's what keeps me doing it, i truly love it. and i love meeting people that are different from me. i feel that my work has been my past of freedom having grownup in a segregated environment. i guess fame and fortune could be what that path is for some people. for me that path is learning about the very person i shouldn't care about. tavis: segregation brings immediately to black-and-white as the old construct. and we live in the most multi, ethic america ever, as you travel, do you think we will make it? is the jury still out and are you certain that we w

maryland and a regular contributor to espn. >> thank you. >> hunt: and in our new york studios, sally jenkins, she's an author and sports columnist in for the "washington post." i confesso being a long time jenkins sick font but i am pleased to have them both on this program. thank you very much. sally, let me start with you. is this a battle in both cases of multimillionaires against billionaires and who should we cheer for? >> well, you know, that's been the statement all along. it's billionaires against millionaires. the difference between them is that the billionaire owners the ones who actually make the decisions when it comes to fiscal responsibility and the health of these leagues and they're the ones who who have been overspending and they're the ones who are crying poor because their business isn't working quite as well as they would like it to despite the fact that the n.f.l. had over $9 billion in revenue d the n.a. had over $4 billion in revenue. so the owners have explaining to do to their players and thselves as to why it is they're not able to make what they claim to be a decen