women and many of the experts like these former cabinet secretaries that were appointees like sally jewell and gina mccarthy. those are women who are featured in this project as well. i think that what happened is because i had worked on this project over time there were a couple of years when i didn't work on it at all. and in those years that i didn't work on it or didn't go to north dakota to do any research when i was struggling in my husband and i were trying to have a baby. it became very clear to me well, thinking about this project and how to organize it, everything i did was shaped by that quest, that we wanted to have a child. soot when they looked for and what i felt like when i was doing this work and when i was doing this reporting. to really shaped it and it shaped where it went and what i chose to do. there are a couple of chapters and along with me when you're on a trip to north dakota the one that only time he came to north dakota and he had to come with meha because the if we wanted to have a baby he had to be there. so that was part of it. there were things that happened

experts, you know, you see like these former cabinet secretaries that were obama appointees like sally jewell and gina mccarthy and those are you know, those are women who are featured in in this project as well. and i think that what happened is this, because i've worked on this project over time, sometimes piecemeal, you know, there were a couple of years where i didn't work on it at all. and and those years that i didn't work on it, i or i didn't go to north dakota and do any research for years where i was really struggling and my husband and i were trying to have a baby. and it became very clear to me while thinking about this project and how to organize it, that that everything i did was shaped by that quest, that that i wanted, you know, we wanted to have a child. and so it colored the what i looked for, what i was, what i felt like when i was doing this work, when i was doing this reporting, it it really it shaped it. it shaped where i went and what i chose to do. and, you know, there's a couple of chapters where my husband is along with me. he comes with me in one year on a trip to to