and tonight, it is my pleasure to be here in conversation with sally kohn.ally comes from a life of activism and organizizing, and she's now a political commentator, currently on cnn and formerly on fox. which we are gonna talk about that. she's a columnist, the host of the podcast "state of resistance," and most importantly for our present purposes, author of a brand-new,

all right we have seen sally kohn such you now there's a financial analyst and see rich management and that's in place cool advisory firm he's joining us now from the kenyan capital nairobi and ali thanks for joining us and given that china is the biggest single investor of african infrastructure how would you characterize the relationship between african countries and china well i think you've got to look back twenty years ago when china really came on the african scene and for about ten years it's been the largest trading partner for the continent and actually the cumulative trade is greater than the e.u. than the u.s. and others put together so it's a very very big player but as your report was saying it's real worries now about truck diplomacy we've seen what's happened to the hambantota port in sri lanka where the chinese have taken it for ninety nine years because the sri lankans couldn't make that infrastructure pay and there's a worry on the continent that this infrastructure has been inflated in price and is highly unlikely to make a return on investment that is necessary for