this time sally quinn joins from us d.c. i will ask you the same question i asked ms. you learn anything from the interview, ms. quinn. >> i didn't learn much. i agree with laura that he comes across as incredibly attractive decent guy. what fascinates me the most is the relationship with his father. the fact that he never, very rarely called his father for advice. i know from some of his father's advisors that this was upsetting to his father and i think he could have learned a lot. i mean people like brent scrocoff and jim baker and his father were seasoned politicians who had been through the wars. he relied too much on people like dick cheney, karl rove and donald rumsfeld in the beginning. i think towards the end of his administration he really, when he fired rumsfeld, much against cheney's advice, i think he began to come into his own and i think he really ended up by going with the tarp that he really took on a personality of his own and became his own person. i think he was moving in that direction. but i think the first part of his first administration, i thin

i don't think you are correct that hillary clinton, through her stooges like sally quinn, and others,started floating this idea around over a year ago to run as vice president. do you believe the trail of hillary is accurate? >> guest: carl's book, a woman in charge, which i've read, is the strength of that book is that it is very balanced account of hillary clinton. and it has some criticism and it also praises her drive, intelligence and focus. but i have not, and no one i know of, has suggested that she floated this outcome or that she wants to change jobs with vice president biden. in the book, when hillary clinton has decided to accept the post of secretary of state, she talks to one of her political advisers who says, well, it's a no-brainer. take the job. you'll get foreign policy experience. you will kind of heel the relationship with obama, that as you may recall was quite bitter during the primary season in 2008. and if, in 2012, when obama is running for reelection, presumably, he may be in trouble, politically, and need to put hillary clinton on the ticket because of her s