he doesn't tell sally yates. calls her up to he says, i've since two agents over there. they are going to investigate. they are going to question general flynn and yates said she was flabbergasted, were all flabbergasted at the doj. she's not blameless. she is the actingte attorney general of thet united states. she should've said, wait a minute, call those agents back right now. how dare you! ar>> laura: i remember this was going on. sol l, i remember this like it s yesterday when it was going on. as a former criminal defense attorney, why is flynn agreeing -- why did he agreeng o sit down with these agents. he obviously didn't think he had anything, any problem. he was like, sure, i will talk to you. i remember that like it was yesterday. i was shocked. i kept thinking, where the heck is the white house counsel? now we know. sol, memos to the file written by people in the 11th hour are always done so with a particular content. do you buy her idea it was the white house counsel who told her to write that? >> that would be really ironicus because neil eggleston is famous

he doesn't tell sally yates, she calls him up to say we've got to tell the white house, and he says i've sent two agents over, they're going to investigate -- they're going to question general flynn and yates said she was flabbergasted, we were all flabbergasted at doj. she's not blameless. my god, she's the acting attorney general of the united states, she should have said wait a minute, we are not going to do that, call those agents back right now, how dare you send your agents over. >> laura: i remember like it was yesterday that when this was going on. i was thinking as a former criminal offense attorney, i thought to myself, why is flynn agreeing -- why did he agree to sit down with these agents? what he honestly didn't think he had anything -- any problem. he's just like sure, i'll talk to you. but i remember that like it was yesterday. i was shocked. i kept thinking, where the heck is the white house counsel and now we know. memos to the file written by people in the 11th hour are always done so with a particular intent. do you buy her idea that it was the white house counsel that

in that meeting were president obama, vice president biden, sally yates, john brennan, james clapper,an rice and james comey. yates9 i says after the meeting president president president obama asked her and comey to stay behind, as she put it. obama started by saying he had learned of the information about flynn and his conversation with russia's ambassador, kislyak. obama specified that he did not want any additional information on the matter but was seeking information on whether the white house should be treating flynn any differently given the information. this document goes on to say that yates was so surprised by the information she was hearing that she had a hard time processing it and listening to the conversation at the same time. just why did sally yates learn about michael flynn's contact with the russian ambassador from president obama? it's a question we'll be taking a deep look this evening. and along with questions about president obama's role in the investigation and attempt to bring down president trump. there's also a new focus on why special counsel robert mueller

but our review of past testimony from deputy the attorney general sally yates may provide a chew or toent strzok and pit ca first wrote down. here's what yates had to say urn questioning by senator whitehouse again in 2017. >> did you have the 302 with you when you were in the white house? did you show it to white house counsel? is and had you seen it at the time you went up to the white house? >> no. the fbi had conducted the interview on the 24th. we got a readout from the fbi on the 25th, a detailed readout specifically from the agents that had conducted the interview. lou: well, there. it would seem that if there's any place to start looking for the missing document, they might ask sally yates. or perhaps ask the d work j's national security -- doj's national security division for the report they received sometime on or about january 25th of 2017. our next guest is general michael flynn's attorney, and joining us tonight is sidney powell, also former federal prosecutor, great american. and, sidney, great to have you with us. and, again, just congratulations to you and general flynn

i will talk sally yates and clapper to talk about their role in this. will invite schiff to come to explain his side of the story. judge jeanine: the american people are furious. if you have a hearing, what sanction can you use? what can be done? >> well, durham is looking at criminality. what i can do is have political accountability. i can let general flynn talk about what his life has been like. i can give the department of justice a chance to explain why the case was dismissed so everybody in the country can understand what happened. barack obama said the flynn case compromises the rule of law. president obama you know what compromises the rule of law in manufacturing a crime. my job is to bring oversight to the table, political accountability. durham's job is to put people in jail who broke the law. judge jeanine: in terms of political accountability. the guy who has to be made accountable is adam schiff and you can't force him to testify. bill barr, the attorney general, he submitted papers as to why they dismissed the channels based on the recent

today we have seen in this interview with sally yates, the deputy attorney general. it is january 5th, 2017, 15 days left in the obama presidency. they have this meeting to talk about russian interference report and president obama sends most of them out of the room, he is with sally yates, james comey and tells them about knowing about the michael flynn recording than the thing that is interesting is it is news to sally yates the deputy attorney general is surprised as she sits there and later tells investigators she had no idea. jillian: so much support through thousands of documents, you were part of the team defending the president during impeachment, so much of that was ukraine but so much of this russia conversation led up to that point. for you, one of the things is trace pension from the former dni clapper saying i never saw any direct empirical evidence the trump campaign or someone in it was plotting or conspiring with the russians to metal with the election. are you surprised he made such a clear statement to that point? >> now because we always knew that.

, all of them according to intel committee testimony from sally yates, obama called her and called me aside to discuss lieutenant general flynn. gates described how the president had intimate knowledge of the contents of general flynn's wiretap calls which shocked the deputy attorney general yates. we know that a few weeks after that meeting, that would be on january 20th, susan rice goes back into the oval office, memorializes the meeting and says barack said to do everything by the book. january 24th, 4 days into the trump presidency there is mr. loyalty himself, jim comey. super patriots directing his agents to ambush flynn at the white house, his deputy telling flynn you don't need a lawyer when he absolutely did need a lawyer. that's where we get the what's our goal here, the admission, or get him to lie so we can prosecute him, or get him fired. four days into terms presidency. one agent involved, as i said what is our goal? these questions should never be asked by anybody in the fbi, andrew mccabe should have told him he needed an attorney, following the ambush that he said, he

on november 3rd, 2017, sally yates concluding to adam schiff, there was no evidence of collusion, butn march 13th, 2018, just four months after those four officials and others testified, there was zero evidence of any trump-russia collusion, the congenital liar schiff got in front of a camera and of course not question, he was held up at some kind of hero by the mob and the media, the socialist -- of our day and said there was significant evidence of trump-russia collusion. he knew it was a lie, he had all the testimony proving it was a lie, but this is what he told the american people, take a look. >> the american people need to know whether the russians still have something they can hold over the president's head. the president of the united states. so our work is far from done. i can certainly say with confidence that there is significant evidence of collusion between the campaign and russia. >> sean: let's not forget, theree was only one guy who thought he was talking to a russian and that was schiff. and you have a guy that was breaking -- that's right, adam schiff. we have compr

and today we have seen in this interview with sally yates, who was the deputy attorney general, it is january 5th, 2017, just 15 days left in the obama presidency. they do have this meeting to talk about the russia interference report and president obama sends most of them out of the room. with sally yates, with the james comey, and he tells them about knowing about this michael flynn recording. and the thing that is interesting here is it is news to sally yates, the deputy attorney general is surprised as she sits there. and later tells investigators that she had no idea. >> shannon: it is an interesting nugget, so much support, thousands and thousands of documents. you were defending the president during impeachment. so much of that was ukraine, but so much of the russia conversation led up to that point. you had one of the things that stood out to you, this is from the dni clapper, saying i never saw any direct empirical evidence that the trump campaign or someone and it was plotting or conspiring with the russians to meddle with the election. are you surprised he made such a clear

i believe sally yates. i don't think sally yates was the source to obama. i don't know who it was.d be really interesting if the "new york times" used some of their leaks to figure out who did tell president obama that flynn and kislyak had a call. but this is also the same sally yates, remember, jim comey intentionally sir couple ventinged her to not get her permission to go interview flynn. so, when jim comey how much we need the senior folks at doj. think about how often he has ignored the senior folks at doj from his press conference to the letter in october of 2016. he certainly ignored him when it came to getting permission to interview michael flynn. so when you hear him talk about the senior folks at doj and how much we need them, just keep in mind the irony of how often he ignored their advice. brian: trey, i'm struck by the fact that bill muriel did an interview with the president of the united states. he said, you know, you keep saying the cupboard was bear. president trump, what did you do over those three years to fill up that it up board leading to the pandemic he? sa

sally yates says she was dumb founded. said she call comey up and said you've got to let them know, and comey said, no, i've already sent the agents to question flynn. yates says she hit the roof. she was obviously involved too because she was pushing the logan act as well to get flynn fired. no clean hands here, lou. no clean hands. lou: and demonstrated today in the dismissal, the motion for dismissal which i presume and would like to get your opinion very quickly, will you be -- do how you expect judge sullivan to approve this motion? >> not only do i expect he'll approve the motion, i expect that he will institute proceedings, potentially criminal contempt proceedings, against those involved in the fraud upon the court. these documents were withheld from the court and the defense, they were withheld from the american people by this justice department and this fbi including the current leadership. what did wray know and what did he know. i'd hike to know that. i'd like to know that. and if i were the judge, i'd be callin

in fact the testimony just released from james comey and sally yates makes that very clear.know that strzok and page texted each other about the insurance policy they discussed in the case in august 15, 2016 before the election. general flynn was in crossfire hurricane their operation, before they opened the file. after the insurance text message they opened file on general flynn. comey and mccabe set the age sent was supposed to be a trusted presidential briefing with flynn and nominee trump to spy on both of them, to assess and gauge flynn's mannerisms in case they needed to interview him later, i.e., if trump was elected president and flynn wound up in the white house. fast forward to january 4 and 5, of 2017 after the legislation and before the inauguration, comey and yates are talking about meeting in oval office which yates learned for the first time from mr. obama himself that he knew about flynn's conversations with ambassador kislyak, which by the way were perfectly lawful but intercepted i guess by nsa. transcripted provided to mr. comey around the fourth of januar

you haveo to wonder how did saly sally yates learn about it from president obama.ecause it says that she was "so surprised by the information she was hearing, she was having a hard time processing it and listening to the conversation at the same time." remember she was at the obama justice department at the end. and having a hard time processing this from president obama. youma have to remember that the independent prosecutor out there looking at all of this, james comey's role, sally yates, james clapper, all of these people who were probing russia collusion and what was going on with michael flynn and others, chuck grassley, talk to bret baier tonight, he says he thinks he is hearing in the nexa 2-3 months, that john durham will have some information coming out. criminal prosecutions, there will be a report of any findings. there's a whole lot of information coming out, watch what ric grenell does in the next few days, tucker. >> tucker: that satchel, we s might find out what is in it, ed henry, thanks. watchingng 9:00-12:00 eastern. now back to the latest develo

after that so-called "by the book" meeting, obama pulled sally yates and james comey aside. why?o discuss plan. according to the recently released testimony from sally yates, this is from the house until committee that the corrupt congenital cowardly, you know, adam schiff, was hiding. the former deputy ag, she admits she was shocked to learn on january 5th that barack hussein obama, the president, had intimate details of flynn's wiretapped phone calls. does that seem by the book to you? what about fbi leadership demanding that the flynn case be reopened just a day before january 4th, 2020 after its investigation found no evidence of wrongdoing? one other fact about januar january 5th, the chief of staff of barack obama, that guy was unmasking flynn, dennis mcdonough. coincidence? in eight days before they left the oval office and donald trump was inaugurated, then joe biden, who said on day one of this last week, he didn't know anything about unmasking, we found out he was one of the unmaskers. what about comey sending one of the agents that he admits and brags about on your tap

by the way, i said sally yates, it's susan rice i believe you're referring to -- >> right. i am.l office meeting. your thoughts about the attorney general's voicing support then for wray as he has, in point of fact, blocked a lot of transparency and the public's right the know hasn't been exactly high on his agenda in any -- >> yeah. i don't know what that is. it might be a matter of timing, might be a matter of waiting for other shoes to fall, i don't know. but i do know one thing, there's been an absolute lack of leadership, you know, throughout the government. there's a few people that stand up and say the right things like yourself and others. but without leadership you're not going to have results. and i'd just point out two things that happened with fbi that just point out the fact that the place is out of control. you know -- lou: got about 30 seconds, jim, i'm sorry. >> roger stone and paul manafort. i mean, look at those two people. white collar crime, supposedly. 40 agents, s.w.a.t. teams, automatic weapons, helicopters, 4:00 in the morning, wives in bed, you know, peop

that was that sally yates is being cut out.he's the deputy attorney general, being cut out of all the coordination and discussion because jim comey is talking directly to the white house and i have long thought that if the white house or the political appointees of the justice department or anybody within the white house at the time, if they think that they want to have some credibility on this, that they want to come out and start talking. instead what they have done for years is whispered into media and see her that something was big, something was bad. when you see it, you won't believe it. and nothing ever materializes. now you have bill barr turning over all the rocks and what you see underneath is not pretty at all when i think that because the president keep signaling that there might be consequences, i think that that could possibly include legal consequences against people who were involved because they keep signaling that, so i think we will be talking with this for many days to come. >> juan: emily, the judge in this

and sally yates remember sally yates said something she was shocked one of the 53 transcripts she didn'tabout this. sidney powells is they didn't tell sally yates. she was at the doj. she was a top person at the doj. she should have known about this if they were doing something. and his attorney says that this was all a set-up and the president should not have been involved in this. here is what dan bongino says. >> there is a text and an email exchange out there that clearly says the white house is running this between the fbi agents, who are talking about the case. so how do we know the white house is running it? they texted each other. and they say well, we don't know they were talking about that. what do you think the fbi was talking about making brownies? they were talking about this case. we have another one, the potus. anna: cripple anymore for president the united states wants to know everything that was doing. the president was barack obama. he knew the whole time and he has managed to state. that's why he is panicked and that's why his team is leaking this audio. >> why we want

. >> let me read from a former transcript, sally yates being interviewed by mike turner, there was a meeting at the white house on january 5th in which comey, clapper, and your self were in attendance and the subject matter of the meeting, the intelligence community reviewing the report of activities in the election, is that correct? sally yates says yes, turner says it corrected that meeting that you learned of the flynn kislyak conversation, she says that is correct. what do you make of that? >> i think the fisa warrant which was talked about now was known at the highest levels, that was a pretty routine fisa for the deputy attorney general and she signed off on continuing fisa warrants against the ambassador. she wouldn't necessarily of known who she was talking to especially when it was an american citizen, the incoming national security adviser, no reason to alert anyone. >> don't republicans maintain it is not that big a deal that you are talking to the guy you are dealing with, it is a transition period, you are speaking to the russian ambassador, what is so wrong about that?

a sally yates is saying she's learning about this for the very first time.'s barack obama that is informing her and talking about this directly with the director of the fbi, so there is no middleman here, there is no -- there isn't the attorney general. is directly barack obama and joe biden talking to the fbi director who then does things that we have never, ever seen before in the fbi and ambushing this white house, and i've got to tell you what bugs me as much as anything as they did not give the incoming president the courtesy and the respective giving him a defensive briefing one-on-one. they totally bypass that and that is totally wrong and shame on barack obama for doing that. >> ed: what might barack obama be worried about, the fisa warrants going back to the summer of 2016, the beginning of the surveillance of carter page, wall street editorial says donald trump's victory increases chances that this unprecedented spying on a political opponent would be uncovered which would have been politically embarrassing at the very least. this among other thing

. >> according to the transcripts come on then deputy attorney general sally yates told the intelligence committee that she was shocked to learn the former barack obama knew about the incoming national security advisor michael flynn and the russian ambassador at the time. and look at this from the former director of national intelligence james clapper, "i never saw any direct empirical evidence that the trump campaign or someone in it was plotting were conspiring with the russians to metal with the election. it's just a frequency and prevalence of the of them that was of concern." all of these transcripts and documents were released yesterday as exhibits to the government's motion to dismiss michael flynn's case. president trump is now calling his former national security advisor and the attorney general heroes but congressman adam schiff is outraged. he said this, "flynn pled guilty to lying to the fbi about his illicit russian contacts. his lies do not now become truths. the dismissal does not exonerate him, but it does incriminate bill barr. in the worst politicization of the justice

documents, communication, testimony from witnesses including jim comey, jim clapper, john brennan, sally yates and others. william barr says he doesn't expect john durham's probe into the fbi's decision-making in the russia probe to lead to criminal investigations of the president's predecessor or the presumptive 2020 democratic nominee. >> based on the information i have today i don't expect mister durham's work will lead to a criminal investigation of either man. our concern over potential criminality is focused on others. >> william barr, an important statement today. as you may have heard, the president has made a very important decision. he has decided to at least temporarily freeze any additional funding for the world health organization. he says they must improve or face a permanent freeze. in a letter to the leader of the who the president reminded him on april 14th he suspended us contributions the world health organization pending an investigation by the administration over the organization's response to the outbreak, he said that review has concluded that they made the proper decisi

that is to say sally yates and the former fbi director. so there is n are more questions being raised. >> bill: i just want to move this along a little bit. you've seen the list of names, does it look normal to you or, do all those names look to be in place or out of place do you think? >> while there seems to be, and the suggestion has been made that you don't know the answer but the list of names seem to have a political color to why the requests were being made. now again, we don't know yet until we see further documents and more testimony, but the list of names includes political operatives. and also it's significant in and of itself that it extends all the way up into, which is what we didn't know all the way up to and including the oval office including the president and vice president of the united states. >> the fact that thousands and thousands of requests are made per year, i bet 99.9% of the american people had no idea that was happening. last question, i don't know what judge emmet sullivan does but apparently he's bringing out

told sally yates about it.pper denied being the one to tell obama about the details of that phone call. then james comey basically testifies that you know, he already testified before james clapper is saying that to congress, james comey said, yeah, we were the one who told clapper about the details of the phone call with russian ambassador and andrew mccabe said same thing. why is james clapper now denying he is the one who told obama about it? >> looks to me because everybody in the situation now has egg on their face. i was talking to a counterintelligence official, when it was happening, contrary before people were calling this a conspiracy. he told me this looked like a classic set up by deep state operatives, intelligence operatives, briefing president, brief incoming president. used those things as pretext to leak to the press to sabotage them. no one wants to get caught doing this, because potentially illegal, with regards unmasking general flynn to the public. elizabeth: quick, final question, is all o

if she didn't do it, who did. >> what does it mean that sally yates and michae call expressed. >> iteans that the obama administration intentionally unmasked a conversation with the incoming national security advisor to president trump. that is stunning. if i ever find that the intelligence community is unmasking my phone calls with foreign leaders, or i discuss foreign policies being done in the united states, heads will roll. i find it unbelievable that the outgoing administration is surveilling the incoming administration. that is incredibly wrong. at the minimum, unethical. >> sean: what about the realization now that hillary -- you have one guy that who has given the bills from fusion gps to pay for the russian disinformation. and to say that in fact yeah, hillary kind of knew. we all knew that we were paying for off research. and some of it was from russia. in the end, "the new york times" actually got something right. toilet paper times. and that is they figured out it was russian disinformation bid which means it came from the russians. the bad intel on trumpet and the resear

it's interesting sally yates says that's how she learned about the michael flynn, that they were listening to his phone calls and he was essentially unmasked because those calls do get tapped into by the intelligence agencies. but that they had also decided to lift his name from being covered. i want to go back to the email that susan rice wrote about the meeting that you just described. on january 5th, as you say the final weeks of the obama presidency, then on january 20, the day of the in migration, she goes back to her computer and writes an email to herself a sort of a notation, a reminder to document this. she says "president obama on the 5th of january began the conversation by stressing his continued commitment to ensuring that every aspect of this issue is handled by the intelligence and law enforcement communities "by the book." the president stressed he's not asking about, initiating, or instructing everything from a law enforcement perspective. he reiterated that our law enforcement teams need to proceed as they normally would buy the book." by the book, twice referenced. your

you're talking about clapper and brennan and susan rice, and sally yates and james comey, a number ofe and what i would look for during the course of the during ram investigation is to see just as you have suggested, first, whether people can be held criminally accountable for having leaked to the media the fact that flynn was under investigation, and second, take a look at anybody who filed an affidavit or made a statement under oath to congress about whether or not there is the potential for perjury charges on that basis to the extent that they knowingly did not tell the truth. of course we still have what remains of the fisa abuse process and the u.s. attorney, mr. durham, has responsibility for that as well. that is not to suggest that there is a criminal investigation won't yield results. it may well yield results and it may yield results with regard to holding those accountable who were present during those meetings in the oval office during the obama administration to initiate an untoward and improper investigation into the next administration by way of lieutenant-general flynn

. >> well, you've got president obama in the oval office with sally yates and james comey on january the 5th. and sally yates, exhibit 4, her statement to the special counsel's office, is what is the most alarming to people who think that people at the very top level of the obama administration attempted to interfere with the peaceful transition of power. >> and let me ask you zerlina. interfering with the transition of power is being concerned that michael flynn may have been talking to russians who said himself and pled in court that he was in fact misleading when he told the fbi what he told them about his conversations with the russians. >> there's no conspiracy if the allegations are true. michael flynn admitted that he did what is alleged. obamagate is essentially a new birtherism. it's essentially short man for trying to be opposed to barack obama on every single front because he is a black president. i think this plays into the part of trump's base that does harbor discriminatory feelings towards black and brown people, and that is shown through his policy and their support o

why was sally yates surprised, then, that he had knowledge of the surveillance?ery quickly. >> raymond: i think the fact that the conversation took place between general flynn andr was of interest to the obama administration, because of possible change in policies and b, because of their possible distaste for general flyn general flynn. i think they saw this as an opportunity to disrupt the general and i think what we have to find out, and this is critically important, that the fbi conducted this interview at the behest of the white house, or was it motivated by their own now well-established personal biases and prejudices against the president was right that has to be determined. if it's the former -- if it's either, it's abominable but it's the former, then it has to behat president barack obama in a private club with former members of his administration said this: the fact that there is no president for anybody, that anybody could find, for someone who has been charged with perjury, just getting out scot-free, that's the kind of stuff where you begin to get wo

but what i find particularly interesting is we have to look back at april 2015 when sally yates cameepartment of justice. that's only a month after president trump announced his intention to seek the presidency. she immediately shut out the inspector general from the national security division of the department of justice. and then, as i mentioned last night, before loretta lynch left office around the middle of december, she and clapper greatly expanded the reach of the intel community's daily briefings to a lot more people. if you put those in the timeline of the unmasks and the strzok-page text messages, it puts a lot of pieces of the puzzle together. lou: this flurry, 15 and 16, december 2016, that's a -- we saw a lot of bizarre reporting based on, obviously, intelligence sources during that time. but to see this as you say broadly across the administration, we had ambassadors, we had u.n. ambassador, the chief of staff the, for crying out loud, their interest in this was feveredded. it was, it's inexplicable to me that so many people would be contemporaneously asking for an unma

comey and yates stay behind that's whereir sally yates said under oath she said she was shocked that obama knew every intimate detail of general flynn's communications. unmasking in other words. coincidence? i am sure. obama's vp, ever clueless forgetful joe biden was present at the meeting and was interesting january 1280 days before he is leaving, trump ists coming in to be inaugurated, joe biden himself directly submitted his own request to unmask general quinn. just so happens, was on with georgie stephanopoulos. george ask when did you know, he said he knew nothing about any investigation into general flynn. either he forgot or he's lying. we'll let you decide. >> what did you know about those moves to investigate michael flynn and wasae there anything improper done? >> i know nothing about those moves to investigate michael flynn. >> you are reported to be in a january 5th 2017 meeting where you and the president were briefed on the fbi's plans to question michael flynn over those conversations he had with the russian ambassador kiss kislyak. >> i thought you asked me if there

the documents submitted by bill barr show up that mary mccord and sally yates and some of the peoplet the very highest levels of the department of justice gave interviews to the mueller team in august of 2017 where they talk about the misconduct, the clear misconduct going on by jim comey and andy mccabe and peter strzok as they ran up and down pennsylvania avenue trying to find a way to destroy this young presidency. they knew this. and in august of 2017 when they gave these interviews, and yet, what did the team do? they continued, they prosecuted flynn, they continued this collusion conspiracy narrative in spite of knowing very well by then, that the steele dossier was nonsense, that the logan act which was never brought against anyone, and that michael flynn did not do anything wrong and that the fbi did. they knew all of that, but did we know any of that? we did not. >> tucker: they did not like the outcome of the election, so trying to destroy the administration using long form enforcement agencies. they spent three years lecturing us about the threat to the democracy, and tryi