mr salman rushdie, but i fight for his right to say what he wants to say. i believe that my religion is a peaceful religion we have to remember two of those that were massacred today, one, a police officer, akmed mourahad and a copy editor working at the "charlie hebdo"." we want to make sure a lot of extremists are not just killing non-muslims, but muslims as well. this is impacting us as well. >> you are saying your religion has been hijacked. >> there are people doing outrageous things in the way of muslim. the question i ask when others commit the atrocities is do we do that to other faith. the blaming of an entire faith for the acts of a few. i had someone saying you can't disaffiliate because yes say they believe in allah. they are christians k.k.k. they were limping people and they were christians a fixation and obsession with muslims to condemn all acts of terrorism and saying it represents all of islam is ridiculous and wears me out. it takes a toll. >> you talk about this personally, and i know you talked about it off air, maybe you haven't talked

when we talk about provocation the biggest provocation was putting salman rushdie, the riots, the jeff'sat happened all over -- deaths that happen over the world after the cartoons were published and were intended as a provocation in a different way than the one engaged in by charlie. there provocation really was afflicting a minority in their culture. wallpapered over by, well, we have to have the right to portray mohammed in our secular country, but the reasons for doing it had more to do with the "other." >> why do you make the argument -- that is what you wrote in the harpers piece in 2006 in the case of the danish cartoons, it was, you know, afflicting the afflicted in denmark, whereas in france, with these cartoons and what charlie hebdo does, you don't think it is the same. how do you compare the two publications? >> the mission was to be conservative right newspaper. charlie was not to be left wing, necessarily, their mission is to rent against all authority. they're asking for radical kind of freedom we don't get an america very often. that is why south park may be closer. it is

. >> 25 years ago, when salman rushdie had fatwa, and the danish cartoonist. everybody has been standing up for the satirical paper. apparently, there are some political figures who do not want to party like it's 1999. instead, they are ready to rumble. jeb bush reportedly said, "if somebody wants to run a campaign about 1990's nostalgia, it will not be very successful." now here is elizabeth warren from the left making reference first to bill clinton's line that the era of big government is over, then hillary clinton on a company in bentonville, arkansas. >> pretty much the whole republican party, and for going to be honest too many democrats, have talked about the evils of big government and called for deregulation. if you worked at walmart and you are paid so little that you still need food stamps to put groceries on the table, what does more money in stockholders pockets and an uptick in the gdp do for you? >> mark? my question is, are these early, meaningless shenanigans from the left and right, or is this some of the real threats, talking about hillary c

list, and inspire magazine, the al-qaeda magazine, as was the editor of charlie hebdo, as is salman rushdie a quarter-century after he published “satanic verses.” what is it like for you to live knowing that you have to worry about this constant threat? >> well, i'm trying not to focus on it. i really put a lot of effort into doing exactly the same as i would have done without being on this list. because if i start to change the way i live my life and what i do and what i believe in, then i would hand those who would like to come after me a victory. and i don't want to do that. >> but some changes have happened, and certainly the cartoonist who, back when you published these in denmark westergaard, kurt westergaard he still lives today under round-the-clock protection. >> yes. and the challenge for him is the same as for me. you have to do what you want to do even though you have around-the-clock bodyguards and heavy security. >> let's go back a decade, when you were thinking about publishing these cartoons of the prophet muhammad. you had seen self-censorship happening throughout europe an

. >> the respect for religion, as authors, and rushed the -- as salman rushdie wrote today, is that codeear of religion? >> no, i do not think so. jane is absolutely correct. our hearts go out to those who are the families of the victims and the injured. we have to go back 13 years to the 9/11 attacks in our country. we see that there is its recruitment of young people based on this idea that no one can speak out, that they have to reduce the ability to be analytical someone who looks at life and we celebrate democracy and the freedom of expression is really important. what policymakers need to think about is how do we stop the recruitment of young boys and girls removing this direction that is appealing to the extremist? that is where our focus really needs to be on. >> what are the economic consequences out an attack like today's, especially in a city like paris which is one of the world fell most popular tourist destinations? >> you have major sales in paris and you are on your highest possible terrorist alert, with three men on the loose, it will be devastating in the near term. i do

salman rushdie. 1988 he publishes the satanic versus, a book highly critical of islam.otests erupt. book stores in the u.s. and britain and a newspaper are bombed. iran's ayatollah khomeini orders a fatwa. >> i think in many cases, some people may think because nobody has killed me, there isn't anybody trying to kill me. that's not true. i wish it were. >> reporter: 2004 the dutch filmmaker produces submission, a movie which criticizes the treatment of women in islam. a few months later he was shot to death. stabbed and nearly decapitated in amsterdam. his killer a 26-year-old dutch moroccan islamist is serving life in prison. kurt westerguard the danish cartoonist draws an image of muhammad with a bomb in his turbin. danish embassies are set ablaze. he receives numerous death threats. eventually a man wielding an axe breaks into his home but he survives the attack. lars vilks. 2007 the swedish artist makes a series of drawings depicting muhammad as a dog. protests erupt. he receives death threats and there's an offer of $150,000 for his assassination. in 2009 a plot to

latest of assaults on journalists and artists who have lamb poonldlampooned islam islam l author salman rushdie spent years in seclusion. cartoons showing jesus fighting stlawfersfightingsanta claus and frosty the snowman. but after they lamb panda on south park they received death threats. the lampoons are censored on comedy central and not available online. in 1979, theo van gogh was threatsenned. the public public works of 12 cartoons, sparked protests around the world and plots to kill at least one of the cartoonists. a similar round of protests and death threats came in 2007, after a swedish newspaper published cartoons of muhammed by lars vilkes who still lives under police protection. and in 2012, a crude amateur film made in california called innocence of muslims depicting the prophet as a fake led to arrests of muslims around the world. in a number of countries where islam is the dominant or official religion, insults against them are crimes, some cases punishable by death. some sayings attributed to him prohibit make images of human figures, and some muslim sects don't tolerate images

those are the words from salman rushdie. >> france said thanks but no thanks we'll deal with it. and we heard from campbell the former lib dem leader condemning this attack. concerns must be raised for the safety of the media outlets like sky news here in the u.k. >> yeah. so -- martha: back here now terrible, that they were not able to catch these guys, went into a subway, jumped into another car. obviously a frantic search underway to potentially catch three gun men involved in this. just a side note in our urgent que who is covering, dni director clapper is talking about cybersecurity and interestingly made no mention of this attack in paris but we continue to look for information coming out of the u.s. government and reaction to all of this. secretary of state john kerry we expect to speak moments away. we'll take you there live. bill: martha, we pointed out these gunmen clearly had experience. now we know clearly they had a plan to get away after murdering 12. more breaking news. top of the hour here on "america's newsr

it is easy after the fact to say we are all for free speech but during -- salman rushdie was a lonely guy after the ayatollah many -- khomeini issued a fatwa . it is easy to say i am charlie, but it is not so easy to do in fact in day-to-day life. >> "do you know who else is not charlie? barack obama is not charlie. the future must not belong to those who slander the profit it -- of islam but we must also condemned the hate we see in images of jesus christ that are destroyed." you said you west the president did not say this. >> -- you wished the president did not say this. >> holocaust denial is not an opinion. the holocaust did happen and so did tonight -- to deny it is to deny a historical reality. they might be offensive to various adherents of various religions but it is our sacred principle that you get to say that. modernity came about and freedom comes about because of our ability, our legal ability to satire, to issue satire, to mock leadership, to mock ideas including powerful ideas, religious and political ideas. i think it is the role of the american president to say i und

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it is easy after the fact to say we are all for free speech but during -- salman rushdie was a lonelyuy after the ayatollah khomeini issued a fatwa. we have people all across the world hiding from islamic radicals for expressing their opinions. it is easy to say i am charlie but it is not so easy to do in fact in day-to-day life. >> this is what else he said -- you said, "do you know who else is not charlie? barack obama is not charlie. the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of islam, but to be credible we must also condemn the hate we see in images of jesus christ that are destroyed." you said you wished the president did not say this. >> one was the conflation. church desecration is an active vandalism. not a speech issue. holocaust denial is not an opinion. the holocaust did happen and so to deny it is to deny a historical reality. tuesday islam or christianity or judaism is full of nonsense is an opinion. it might be offensive, but nonetheless is our sacred principle that you get to say that. modernity came about and freedom comes about because of our ability,

the list includes author salman rushdie who has been under death threats for decades now, the koran burning crazy pastor guy in florida was there, but mostly people involved in drawing and publishing cartoons that depicted the prophet mohammed. you remember that scandal that started in some scandinavian papers, danish and swedish cartoonists who created those, editors who have published them, those who have republished them, they're all on the list. one of the people on the al qaeda hit list that was published in inspire magazine last spring is the editor of "charlie hebdo" who was one of the 12 people killed today in the assault on their offices in paris. and we'll know more, if and when french authorities capture the suspects in this case. again, the breaking news reporting right at the top of this hour from pete williams is that the younger suspect in this case, the 18-year-old, may have turned himself into french authorities but french authorities have released a wanted poster with photographs and names of what were considered to be the two older suspects in this attack, the two suspect

the biggest target in the world that we basically seen since salman rushdie was "charlie hebdo." they have been thumbing their nose at all kinds of targets. melissa: everyone. >> not just islamists out there. so, that is what we should understand this but at the same time there is also an increase of "allahu akbar!" kind of violence spore raddic sort of lone wolf violence happening in france and a legitimate concern among a lot of western governments especially in immigration-rich countries like france some of these people are being trained and come back. >> you know what "the new york times" is wore i had about? a backlash against muslims. that's what they're writing about on the front page today. the biggest danger dangerous moment for european society its. not because europeans are being slaughtered by jihadists but there will aback lash. since 2001 we keep hearing about a backlash. that is what "the new york times" is worried about. >> what is the appropriate possible policy response to? this has to be open borders policy which europe adopted in ways much greater than the u.s

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. >> along with salman rushdie and people they have been after for years. >> and one of those was in inspire magazine's first issue that included names of other cartoonist danish cartoonists who featured prophet muhammad. >> what do you make of what you have seen on the video, of the way they handled the weapons, the weapons they were using, how would you obtain weapons like that in paris? >> right. i think it would be difficult to get them just normally in paris. looking at the kalashnikovs and, you know the tactical vests. the desert tan and ammo vests that one of the actors was wearing. i think the way they acted, lawrence, looked to me like one or both had been in a conflict area. you know, they carried these rifles comfortably. not highly trained military like of a western nation. they weren't that kind of people. they didn't move like that. but they moved as people that had been in conflict before. they weren't scared away by police officers who came on bicycles or in vehicles. they knew they were going to win that fight with their rifles. but they're bumbling as well. they wen

can be combated verbally and with cartoons, etc., but this sort of killing, which started with salman rushdie'seck some to and doesn't do the islamic religion as a whole any favors. there is quite an ugly atmosphere of islamophobia in parts of europe. we had big demonstrations in your many by islamophobies. the well-known french right-wing novelist will back has just published a new novel in which the central fact is a 2020, france will have a muslim president. from the other side, the publisher of the french investigative online magazine media, has written a book attacking and announcing islamophobia very strongly. it is an ugly atmosphere of parts of europe, and this will play into it. and it just creates -- >> tariq, what has been the response of government leaders in france, germany, and britain to this rise of anti-immigrant and anti-muslim sentiment across the continent? >> well, the german chancellor angela merkel, to her credit, two days ago denounced these demonstrations and said targeting ethnic minorities is unacceptable. she met, of course, in germany. but to this normally regarded

the list includes author salman rushdie who has been under death threats for decades now, the koran burning crazy pastor guy in florida was there, but mostly people involved in drawing and publishing cartoons that depicted the prophet mohammed. you remember that scandal that started in some scandinavian papers danish and swedish cartoonists who created those, editors who have published them those who have republished them they're all on the list. one of the people on the al qaeda hit list that was published in inspire magazine last spring is the editor of "charlie hebdo" who was one of the 12 people killed today in the assault on their offices in paris. and we'll know more if and when french authorities capture the suspects in this case. again, the breaking news reporting right at the top of this hour from pete williams is that the younger suspect in this case, the 18-year-old, may have turned himself into french authorities but french authorities have released a wanted poster with photographs and names of what were considered to be the two older suspects in this attack the two suspects who

gerri: i want to read a quote from salman rushdie the author, he has been through this.e took himself underground after his life was threatened by terrorists. he says this today religion medieval form of unreason when combined with modern weaponry become as real threat to our freedoms. this religious totalitarian system caused by deadly 3utation in the heart of islam and we see tragic consequences in paris today. i stand with the magazine newspaper that we've discussed as we all must to defend the art of satire which is always a force of liberty against tyranny, dishonty and stupidity. what do you make of that? >> the president of egypt came out on new year's day, he wasn't pussyfooting around and called it what it is. he went to the religious community of egypt, you imams you have to own this the world is looking at us and looking at islam and radical jihad and putting them all together. it is up to us up to muslims to self-correct and tell the story that is a different story. because otherwise the world looks at that and -- gerri: that's islam. >> that's islam. and tha

. ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >>> last night, salman rushdie gave a speech at the universitywhere he said this. >> the moment somebody says, yes, i believe in free speech but -- i stop listening. [ applause ] i believe in free speech but people should behave themselves. i believe in free speech but we shouldn't upset anybody. i believe in free speech but let's not go too far. the point is the moment you limit free speech, it's not free speech. >> up next, belgium police in a shootout with a suspected terror cell. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like mute buttons equal danger. ...that sound good? not being on this phone call sounds good. it's not muted. was that you jason? it was geoffrey! it was jason. it could've been brenda. >>> the threat level has been raised in belgium tonight after police killed two gunmen and injured another in a shootout during a raid on suspected terrorist cell. that raid is part of a series of searches by authorities for extremists who are believed to have traveled to syria. sources tell nbc news that these terroris

the if say something that offend their religion or might offend their leader, suddenly, your salman rushdieill unyou down. people are more thoughtful even though they want to talk about. david: people are kind of brave now, remember when george clooney was trying to get folks to come out, he could not find one individual to sign a letter, that just stated we'll not subject ourselves to self-censorship? >> he power of fear, f, e, a, r, which is false evidence appearing real, but power of that fear is no engrained in us we have a a fight or flight. people will first have flight. fight is hard. tough stand in the ring to take shots. there are enough people that believe if we don't do that it will erode all our freedoms. since you don't talk specifically about sony, talk about mca universal, the "last temptation of christ." 1988. martin scorsese's film, the head of the studio, sid sheinberg was threatened with his life. get that film out there, put it out there. in this situation you have the actual theaters saying you can do that, sony but we're not going to run it. what point do you run up ag

when salman rushdie published the second verses in 1988, it was iran's supreme leader ayatollah khomeini issued a fat while calling for the killing of rushdie and his publishers. think about that for a moment. and estate put a bounty for murder on the head of a celebrated and prominent author. ayatollah khamenei has reiterated this yet this outlaw regime is now negotiating partner with the united states. this catalog of iran's crimes against the united states and the civilized world was -- totally assembly, demands imposed of strength and courage towards iran. president obama's policy has been marked by weakness and appeasement. of course, then senator obama foreshadowed this policy in the 2008 campaign saying that he would meet khamenei without precondition to here are his words. we are willing to talk about certain assurances in the context of them showing some good faith. i think it's important for us to send a signal that we are not hell bent on regime change just for the sake of regime change. but expect changes in behavior. they are both carrots and sticks available to them for tho

and whether you go back to the ayatollahs in iran who tried to close down salman rushdie 30 years ago you look at north korea trying to close down sony and if you look at what people here did yesterday, they don't want people talking about anything that they don't agree with. it is tyranny in its you purest form and well-known french intellectuals have said this wasn't a terrorist attack this was not a terrorist attack it was an execution. it was not a massacre it was a execution. >> the motive was clear, they did the traditional cry of "god is great" and we know who tends to do that. and you get to the weapons that were used the kalishnakovs maybe an rpg. but the tight shooting patterns the nonchalance as they moved and executed an officer. it does speak to not your common variety madman who is caught up in the romantic notion of jihad. >> the french say we know the names of the suspects. they are apparently of algerian origin. the lawyer of one of them says they were orphans. one or two of them are known to the authorities for various attempts at jihad and traveling and smuggling pe