for example, salman rushdie, you know? think, certainly, he is not going to have trouble talking about himself, i mean, but, you know, when he sat down to write his memoir about his years under the fatwa after the ayatollah khomeini had issued the fatwa, the death sentence on him because because of his writings, satanic verses, when it came to writing his memoirs, he felt we could he could not write that in the first perp. he wrote the whole memoir in the third person. oh, even somebody like many, many, many years into, you know, life in the western world this residual feeling of, like, it's not okay to say i, to be focused on yourself like that, you know, it stays with you. it stays with you. and to this day, i mean, you know, interviewed just about myself i can go a little -- [laughter] i'm very happy to talk about the classroom in america and fundamentalism. talking about myself, you know, i can get there, but i have to kind of -- there's like a little speed bump. i've got to get over the speed bump. so i understand the